Post-Game Talk: Laffs send Laf closer to Habland, Win 4-2

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Bergevin also went on live TV to say he has offers for both Radulov and Markov but given the cap situation, it was first come first serve.
His whole demeanor was “I've done my job, now ill sit back and wait”. Radu left, Markov left, Habs were left with nothing but cap space thats gone unused since.
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One day I need to watch back that press conference for a good laugh.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Danault isn’t a number one center. He’s an elite two way shut down center but is only a first line center here because we suck.

low end to okay #2. Sh*t hot #3.

People didn't even think he could replace Eller. He has no right to have done as well as a #1 as he's done. Tatar and Gallagher are really good but they're not all stars. Some even argue if they're legit #1 wingers. I'd say somewhere between low end #1 and strong #2 wingers.

That line needs to be split up (only after the playoffs though as I think it helps the laff gaffe draft) but ultimately I see no reason to bash Danault. It's pretty goofy.

The problem is what many 'bashers' have been astute to point out is that he's likely going to be entitled to a contract more than he's truly worth. MB better play hard ball with him and actually be prepared to let him walk. I would love for him to be our #3 but not at some crazy price tag. It would suck to lose him for nothing but it's the better option than him having a cap hit of 6+ per.

The other problem is that MB really likes him and will likely give him a sweet heart of a deal. It would be a mistake imo. I'm pretty stoked on KK and Suzuki to the point where you might not need a Danault level #3. Hopefully Danault woefully underwhelms and the kids can put him in his place ever so gently though as to not win against the Pens.

 

[Omar]

low end to okay #2. Sh*t hot #3.

People didn't even think he could replace Eller. He has no right to have done as well as a #1 as he's done. Tatar and Gallagher are really good but they're not all stars. Some even argue if they're legit #1 wingers. I'd say somewhere between low end #1 and strong #2 wingers.

That line needs to be split up (only after the playoffs though as I think it helps the laff gaffe draft) but ultimately I see no reason to bash Danault. It's pretty goofy.

The problem is what many 'bashers' have been astute to point out is that he's likely going to be entitled to a contract more than he's truly worth. MB better play hard ball with him and actually be prepared to let him walk. I would love for him to be our #3 but not at some crazy price tag. It would suck to lose him for nothing but it's the better option than him having a cap hit of 6+ per.

The other problem is that MB really likes him and will likely give him a sweet heart of a deal. It would be a mistake imo. I'm pretty stoked on KK and Suzuki to the point where you might not need a Danault level #3. Hopefully Danault woefully underwhelms and the kids can put him in his place ever so gently though as to not win against the Pens.

The question I ask myself is, if he had Marchand and Pastrnak, what would he be?

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

If it were actually true you could and it would be an interesting point of discussion actually, but Danault in a career year is only slightly edging out Barkov and is completely outclassed by Malkin, and he has a huge spike in secondary assists this year that accounts for most of his scoring increase this season. Seguin sure, Danault's been a similarly productive player at evens with no qualifiers. There's contextual reasons why but it's still a good thing for him to be outproducing a player as good as Seguin. Makes you wonder why Drouin can't even beat Lehkonen's scoring rates if Danault can be in the ballpark with Barkov and Seguin on the same team!

Drouin's "50 points" or whatever cutoff we're using to say he's still productive is meaningless since the actual scoring rates are mediocre compared to his own teammates. With Lehkonen we're also talking about a player with heavy defensive responsibilities and much worse linemates and he still manages to score as well as Drouin can in sheltered top 6 minutes. He's good on the PP (although he's not some kind of elite PP specialist) so he gets minutes + points there which is fine, but the fact he hits 50 points playing top 6 minutes and 3 minutes of PP TOI a game isn't anything special.

You don't need to be a special player to be worth more than a 2nd round pick.
He is a 25-year-old 50+ scoring forward signed for 3 more years. That clearly has more value than the 2nd or late 1st round pick that w3k is suggesting.

 

[OldCraig71]

The question I ask myself is, if he had Marchand and Pastrnak, what would he be?

A Bruin lol.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

The question I ask myself is, if he had Marchand and Pastrnak, what would he be?

He probably gets 60 points. I mean he's not as good as Bergeron and that's likely no longer the best line in the league.

Looking at Danault's face off stats and they're pretty damn impressive. He's solid along the boards and winning puck battles. He's a really good player. If his line right now was our 2nd line it could actually be a really good 2nd line. Could it be a contender 2nd line? Maybe if the first line is top notch.

Oh okay I just looked at the cap and realized these guys are all UFAs for 21/22. I kept thinking it was this offseason. Well that's better. We can make some trades then. I can't remember if there's a buyout in play for Alzner. Weise's contract will save a bit. That's the case I think Danault will be signed unless Poehling can take it up a notch next year. I think one of them will be traded.

One of Domi, Drouin or Tatar will likely be traded. It probably should be Drouin but it might be Domi.

We got room to maneuver anyways.

 

[Omar]

He probably gets 60 points. I mean he's not as good as Bergeron and that's likely no longer the best line in the league.

Looking at Danault's face off stats and they're pretty damn impressive. He's solid along the boards and winning puck battles. He's a really good player. If his line right now was our 2nd line it could actually be a really good 2nd line. Could it be a contender 2nd line? Maybe if the first line is top notch.

Oh okay I just looked at the cap and realized these guys are all UFAs for 21/22. I kept thinking it was this offseason. Well that's better. We can make some trades then. I can't remember if there's a buyout in play for Alzner. Weise's contract will save a bit. That's the case I think Danault will be signed unless Poehling can take it up a notch next year. I think one of them will be traded.

One of Domi, Drouin or Tatar will likely be traded. It probably should be Drouin but it might be Domi.

We got room to maneuver anyways.

I trade all 3

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

I trade all 3

Domi, Drouin and Tatar? I'm not against that.

Domi should get a fair shot at LW with one of Suzuki or KK. I really like him as a player all in all but I just don't know where he fits. if he can actually transition (back) to wing then i think he's an asset. I just get certain vibes that he wants to be a celebrity more than anything.

Drouin I think we should wait. Just because I think he can boost his totals a bit playing with a more matured KK or Suzuki. He'll always frustrate but I don't think he'll get worse so I think we can afford to be patient.

Tatar has his warts but he's still a near 30 goal 60 point guy. But he'll want a pretty good raise though.

I'm torn in a lot of different directions. A lot depends on the draft though. I think if we can draft Laf I'd at least trade Domi. I'd actually consider a bridge with Domi still.

I don't know I'm bad with this stuff lol

 

[Omar]

Domi, Drouin and Tatar? I'm not against that.

Domi should get a fair shot at LW with one of Suzuki or KK. I really like him as a player all in all but I just don't know where he fits. if he can actually transition (back) to wing then i think he's an asset. I just get certain vibes that he wants to be a celebrity more than anything.

Drouin I think we should wait. Just because I think he can boost his totals a bit playing with a more matured KK or Suzuki. He'll always frustrate but I don't think he'll get worse so I think we can afford to be patient.

Tatar has his warts but he's still a near 30 goal 60 point guy. But he'll want a pretty good raise though.

I'm torn in a lot of different directions. A lot depends on the draft though. I think if we can draft Laf I'd at least trade Domi. I'd actually consider a bridge with Domi still.

I don't know I'm bad with this stuff lol

In my opinion, we need some diversity in our forward group. We have no grit or size. We have the silky smooth guys in Suzuki, KK, a two way center in Danault, and a grinder in Gallagher, plus whoever we draft this year. We need to complement that with some size and power in the top 6. IMO those 3 just don’t fit. We have enough holes we need to cover to keep them all.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

In my opinion, we need some diversity in our forward group. We have no grit or size. We have the silky smooth guys in Suzuki, KK, a two way center in Danault, and a grinder in Gallagher, plus whoever we draft this year. We need to complement that with some size and power in the top 6. IMO those 3 just don’t fit. We have enough holes we need to cover to keep them all.

agreed we need more size for sure.

 

[Runner77]

They all know very well MB is ruining the team, only Benoit Brunet has the guts to call him out. I've heard him on more than one occasion complaining about the GM. Damphousse is a wimp and Flynn probably only cares about QMJHL.

Flynn is a space cadet, can't take anything he says too seriously. Most of his commentary on Marinaro's show prove that he's out of touch.

 

[Kriss E]

Flynn is a space cadet, can't take anything he says too seriously. Most of his commentary on Marinaro's show prove that he's out of touch.

He's one of the better ones though...as bad as he is, he's no Gaston Therrien. Where I give credit to Flynn on is he's been critical of Bergevin and the lack of vision/direction for a while. Not sure if he's retracted on that but he was one of the first ones to do it out of that group if I recall.

 

[Omar]

He's one of the better ones though...as bad as he is, he's no Gaston Therrien. Where I give credit to Flynn on is he's been critical of Bergevin and the lack of vision/direction for a while. Not sure if he's retracted on that but he was one of the first ones to do it out of that group if I recall.

He’s one of the better ones but I was shocked when he repeatedly suggested offering Caufield for Palmieri. Made me puke.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

He’s one of the better ones but I was shocked when he repeatedly suggested offering Caufield for Palmieri. Made me puke.

In the end, none of them should be referred to as experts

 

[Kriss E]

He’s one of the better ones but I was shocked when he repeatedly suggested offering Caufield for Palmieri. Made me puke.

Ya that was dumb proposal but I get his point.
He was simply suggesting to do something to improve the team, he would also say if we are not going for it then sell assets instead...so he wasn't wrong, but ya, bad proposal.

 

[Habs Halifax]

agreed we need more size for sure.

We do need more size/skating type players. But not at the cost of our skilled/skaters. Those who are attacking Drouin, Domi, Tatar and not Lehkonen, Byron, Weal are letting our flaws confused them to a point of overreaction

 

[Doc McKenna]

Man, the more we discuss that failed Radulov outcome, the more scenarios are brought up.

I have followed this from the beginning and I don't remember this being the reason for Radulov taking the Dallas offer. Maybe you have a source I haven't seen, so I can't really confirm your version.

I distinctly recall that Bergevin had Radulov to himself, there was no other suitor after he chose to become a UFA. Bergevin sensing that he had the upper hand, made a take it or leave it offer. Radulov was considering it but didn't accept it. Bergevin decided to play hardball and told Radulov that he was withdrawing the offer. It is only when Bergevin created a vacuum by withdrawing that Nill swooped in and offered Radulov what he wanted.

It was reported that Radulov only having the Dallas offer on the table and nothing else, made the decision to accept it and gave Nill a verbal OK. Bergevin thereafter circled back and made the same offer as Dallas to the Radulov camp but since Radulov had already given his word to Nill, he rejected Bergevin. It is important to note that Bergevin's offer was the same as Dallas, again as confirmed by reports at the time. Bergevin shot himself in the foot by withdrawing his offer in order to coerce Radulov and had not anticipated that some other team might actually give Radulov what he was looking for.

That's what I remember distinctly from what transpired.

While that is mostly accurate, he also had a deal in place with bonuses to protect him from a possible lockout. He wanted to make sure he wasn't effected badly should the CBA not get signed. I was actually shocked at the structure of Prices contract because up till that point(same year as rad and markov) I don't remember too many performance contracts. Subban is 9 million across the board, no front loading, no bonuses.

And i distinctly remember contradicting reports from TSN about who said what and when for radulovs contract from Bergevin. Esp in regards to years. That is why I said we don't know exactly what the offer was, only that he wasn't happy with it and turned it down and signed on july 3rd with dallas. Markov said bergevin never got back to him either. As he was prepared to take a 1 year term and less money.