danielpalfredsson
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The trade is only job-losing worthy if Ryan chooses to leave for FA and we don't trade him re-gaining the assets we lost.
How high the pick is has little importance if we get an elite young goal scorer locked up long-term. Same situation as the Kessel trade. Trading the picks turned out badly for Toronto, but I think you'll find most of them are pretty happy with the deal regardless because they have a elite young goal scorer on their team for the foreseeable future.
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Melnyk has been quoted saying you cant't win unless you are in the top third in spending. So, he knows we don't have a chance.
The plan must be to stay competitive until the time is optimal (according to their calculations?)to blow his load.
At least that probably was the plan before the casino fell through.
The plan must be to stay competitive until the time is optimal (according to their calculations?)to blow his load.
At least that probably was the plan before the casino fell through.
Alfie#11
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I know there's been statements by Murray et al. to the contrary but I will always believe that the Ryan trade was in part a panic move to offset the loss of Alfie. Kind of like Kovalev/Heatley. IMO, Melynk told Murray to get that deal done ASAP as soon as Alfie signed in Detroit.
I put the state of the franchise on Melynk. If Murray finishes above 25th in the rankings he's already outperforming his budget. His has literally no room to make a mistake on a salary.
You can fire anyone you want, get a new coach etc. Without a budget that is competitive (say 60ish million), you can't seriously compete.
Anyone who doesn't think this team would be drastically better with one more $5m player (ie, a defenceman) is nuts.
If Murray was allowed to pick up one more player in last years UFA on the defensive end then we'd be looking much much better.
It's compounding. Put a better player with Karlsson and he'll play better. Then Methot plays on the 2nd unit with Cowen/Weircioch. Suddenly a 3RD pairing of Phillips and Boro doesn't look so bad.
This team needs to spend more to get ahead.
I thought the team would be okay at the beginning of the season...but clearly a defense with Gryba/Cowen/Phillips eating big minutes is a bad idea.
If Murray was allowed to pick up one more player in last years UFA on the defensive end then we'd be looking much much better.
It's compounding. Put a better player with Karlsson and he'll play better. Then Methot plays on the 2nd unit with Cowen/Weircioch. Suddenly a 3RD pairing of Phillips and Boro doesn't look so bad.
This team needs to spend more to get ahead.
I thought the team would be okay at the beginning of the season...but clearly a defense with Gryba/Cowen/Phillips eating big minutes is a bad idea.
tony d
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Effort is far more important than spending money for the sake of spending it. This team is not a player or 2 away from getting better. They need to show way more effort than what they're showing. They do that and we can become a good team again.
The two are not mutually exclusive. You can put in more effort and spend more money by acquiring a better player or two at the same time.
I dont think its effort at this point, the sens original problem was taking too much penalties, they fixed that. Then they used to be ridiculously outshot, that is not much of a problem anymore. Besides a few lackadaisical effort from Spezza, Karlsson, the team has been playing with effort. To me the problem is 4 of the sens dman are not good enough to play the roles they are given, Cowen,Phillips,Gryba,Boro,Wiercoch and Corvo are not top 4 dman at this point. They are either too young or too old to log big minutes. Meanwhile, the sens only have 4 forwards(sometimes 3 if spezza decides to play) who are legit top 6 forwards, add 1 more and it looks a lot better, the bottom six is also sub par.
I dont know if this team is fast, gritty,puck possession or a defensive minded team, they are lacking identity and they better find it. I realized that Macleans style is puck possession, but with the dman they have only 2 are capable of moving the puck. Gonchar was good at this and alfredsson was good at gaining the other teams blueline. Then they try dump and chase at times and it just fails. The style of play just doesnt fit the players the sens have.
I dont know if this team is fast, gritty,puck possession or a defensive minded team, they are lacking identity and they better find it. I realized that Macleans style is puck possession, but with the dman they have only 2 are capable of moving the puck. Gonchar was good at this and alfredsson was good at gaining the other teams blueline. Then they try dump and chase at times and it just fails. The style of play just doesnt fit the players the sens have.
A couple better players and we could play that style... that's what sucks.
Brian Campbell playing the minutes Karlsson is not... instantly a dominant transition team... then add another good puck possession winger to help Spezza gain the zone.
Two players allows us to play the system Maclean wants to play... I think we'd instantly become elite... the difference a couple players can make with the parity of the game today.
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would that change next year? maybe they felt it would be better to add next year for whatever reason (young guys a little more experienced?) At this point he obviously can't spend to the max every year. maybe the plan is to see what we have this yr in the young guys, make some moves, spend more next yr for a better shot?
I don't know, i'm just hoping it is part of some sort of plan.
I think too many people are missing the real issues with the team's financial situation. Hell, we've iced more competitive teams before on a more stringent budget. There are two main problems that I see.
One, you can be a budget team and be competitive, however you just have to be careful how you spend that money and how it's distributed. To me, pulling the trigger on someone like Bobby Ryan is a move that you make if you're a team that spends to the cap, especially when you consider that we're already spending a lot of money on Spezza, Karlsson, Michalek (!!) and to a certain extent McArthur. Those three forwards mentioned make almost as much as our entire defense corps. The seriousness of the situation is amplified when you have Michalek playing as terribly as he is.
Then you have to seriously question whether management considered the effect of carrying so many defensemen under the age of 27. Defense has been a big reason for our struggles and you have to wonder whether having another veteran defenseman or two on the backend would considerably stabilize the situation.
The second problem, and one that is not often considered nor seen would be if Melnyk is also making cutbacks in player salaries, then how do we know there aren't any other cutbacks that affect other parts of the organization. Things like pro scouting would affect our ability to evaluate our opposition, make correct assessment on trades and the actual value each player we have in our organization. Maybe cutbacks are affecting raises and salaries of these off-ice personnel, so while they still work for the organization, their satisfaction level might be lower which could lead to less than peak performance in their duties.
One, you can be a budget team and be competitive, however you just have to be careful how you spend that money and how it's distributed. To me, pulling the trigger on someone like Bobby Ryan is a move that you make if you're a team that spends to the cap, especially when you consider that we're already spending a lot of money on Spezza, Karlsson, Michalek (!!) and to a certain extent McArthur. Those three forwards mentioned make almost as much as our entire defense corps. The seriousness of the situation is amplified when you have Michalek playing as terribly as he is.
Then you have to seriously question whether management considered the effect of carrying so many defensemen under the age of 27. Defense has been a big reason for our struggles and you have to wonder whether having another veteran defenseman or two on the backend would considerably stabilize the situation.
The second problem, and one that is not often considered nor seen would be if Melnyk is also making cutbacks in player salaries, then how do we know there aren't any other cutbacks that affect other parts of the organization. Things like pro scouting would affect our ability to evaluate our opposition, make correct assessment on trades and the actual value each player we have in our organization. Maybe cutbacks are affecting raises and salaries of these off-ice personnel, so while they still work for the organization, their satisfaction level might be lower which could lead to less than peak performance in their duties.
coladin
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Good plan. Let's suck for 7 years and we'll be like the Islanders and Avs. People around here barely have the stomach for being 2 points out of a playoff spot in November. Let's be last instead for years!
coladin
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I like to watch garbage. I like to watch my team through thick and thin. Fans with your mentality don't help support the team, you only add to the problem. Sure, stay home and watch while the team moves, great strategy. That'll show Melnyk. He is going to double his money when he sells it anyways, like he gives a **** about you staying home.
Good plan. Let's suck for 7 years and we'll be like the Islanders and Avs. People around here barely have the stomach for being 2 points out of a playoff spot in November. Let's be last instead for years!
Cause what we are doing now is working?
Godly idea but how do you make money by investing in apple sauce?
Yea.. I know I've changed the original post
coladin
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Looked good last year.
Prognosticators had Ottawa trending up. We suck right now and there is nothing to be done about it. It is the same ****ing team as last year that we all loved minus an old Russian defenceman and a geriatric overrated right winger captain who wanted to hold BM ransom because he signed a ****** contract and was butt hurt that he played for $1m last year.
Oh, except we added a young star scorer and our young core was supposed to take the next step. And a No. 1 center. And our Norris winning defenceman. And a top 4 defenceman who held out. yeah, they all took a step alright, BACKWARDS.
It's all confidence. Once they get it back, if they ever do for this year, they will be the same ****ing team as last year with better bits.
Magix
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Yup. Tonight was a clear example of needing to spend more. If only we had x and y players... anderson wouldn't have let in softies again, mac would have pulled his head out of his ass and played the better performing players before the 3rd.
I mean its all because BM/EM aren't spending enough.
I mean its all because BM/EM aren't spending enough.
Melynk gave raises to Greening, Condra, Cowen, Weircioch.. how is it his fault that these players now suck?
Qward
Because! That's why!
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This guy is worth 3.7 billion.
Someone want to convince him to buy the Sens?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Skoll
This guy is worth 3.7 billion.
Someone want to convince him to buy the Sens?
StefanW
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We could have been in this spot last year too. When all of the injuries happened we did not make any moves and used callups, and they played out of their minds and we ended up in the playoffs.
This season we lost some of our veteran leadership in Alfie and Gonchar, and some of our depth from last year is gone as well (like Bishop). We just seem to have fewer options this year.
The part that will never stop bugging me is that when we made our run last year I figured our team was set for a run at the cup. We had depth, we were willing to make a move for Ryan that should have put us over the top, and we had cap space to burn at a time when teams were getting crushed under the cap. We should be poaching teams right now and using the 11 million in cap space to solidify our roster with great vet players who can be had for prospects and a song right now.
Instead, Melnyk is going broke and we hear about how we can only make dollar for dollar moves right now. While I do not blame Eugene for going broke (obviously no one would do this on purpose, and he is hurting by it more than I am), I feel like all of the hope I invested in this team is being flushed down the toilet. And it is a huge shame, because the team had Turris emerging as a start player, Ryan providing highlight reel goals, Karlsson leading D in scoring, and Lehner getting reading to make his move into the #1 spot. We should be getting set for a deep run, but instead we are forced to watch the team struggle every night with no help in sight.
This season we lost some of our veteran leadership in Alfie and Gonchar, and some of our depth from last year is gone as well (like Bishop). We just seem to have fewer options this year.
The part that will never stop bugging me is that when we made our run last year I figured our team was set for a run at the cup. We had depth, we were willing to make a move for Ryan that should have put us over the top, and we had cap space to burn at a time when teams were getting crushed under the cap. We should be poaching teams right now and using the 11 million in cap space to solidify our roster with great vet players who can be had for prospects and a song right now.
Instead, Melnyk is going broke and we hear about how we can only make dollar for dollar moves right now. While I do not blame Eugene for going broke (obviously no one would do this on purpose, and he is hurting by it more than I am), I feel like all of the hope I invested in this team is being flushed down the toilet. And it is a huge shame, because the team had Turris emerging as a start player, Ryan providing highlight reel goals, Karlsson leading D in scoring, and Lehner getting reading to make his move into the #1 spot. We should be getting set for a deep run, but instead we are forced to watch the team struggle every night with no help in sight.
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