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DR said:
you forgot EDM .... there is no reason they couldnt have done what OTT has done, they went a different path and it didnt work out.

CGY is one of the biggest losers in this cap, but you guys all laugh when I say it. As a Calgarian, I hope to be wrong over the long term, but its my projection as of today.

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I can't put Edmonton there in good conscience. Seems like they've made the playoffs a few times. And even through the tv, you can tell they've got a great hockey atmosphere in the building, unlike the mausoleums in Nashville and Carolina, where half the fans secretly wish they were at a Nascar race.
 

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after what happened to the Expos in Montreal and why they could not compete...you would think someone who cheers for Montreal would have some damned sense....what a shame

You know, what you fail to realize is that the expos ownership had plenty to do with the demise of the team.
Yeah, the expos couldn't compete financially with the Mets in the 80s when salaries really started escalating. But it didn't help that that ownership started blacklisting players like Rodney Scott and Bill Lee.
When the spos traded Carter and then insulted Dawson with a paycut after 10 years of service, they alienated the fanbase.
And boom. That was it. Baseball in Montreal was dead.
 

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after what happened to the Expos in Montreal and why they could not compete...you would think someone who cheers for Montreal would have some damned sense....what a shame
It's not that simple. Fans didn't get over getting majorly screwed in the lockout season and that killed the market. No local investor was willing to put his neck on the line financially when he already knew that the fans were no longer interested in the MLB. The Expos have been dead since 1994... they just stuck around for a few extra years while their pinkslip switched hands on a yearly basis.
 

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Newsguyone said:
I can't put Edmonton there in good conscience. Seems like they've made the playoffs a few times. And even through the tv, you can tell they've got a great hockey atmosphere in the building, unlike the mausoleums in Nashville and Carolina, where half the fans secretly wish they were at a Nascar race.

Just wondering - how many games have you personally attended in NASH or CAR? Or are you just spouting the stereotypes without any personal knowledge?
 

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http://www.latimes.com/sports/hockey/nhl/la-sp-nhl8jul08,1,151940.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-nhl

Since this is in today's paper, this would have been the status as of last night. So it sounds like they're literally just down to fleshing out the language on a few remaining items, and that was before whatever work they are putting in during today's meetings. It seems reasonable to believe that they could have this wrapped up over the weekend in order to present the owners exec committee with a document on Monday.
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Newsguyone said:
Buffalo got hurt by a crooked owner. Weren't they going through bankruptcy? What's attendance been like? The Mike Peca/Dominik Hasek/Tedd Nolan controversies are stains on the franchise. That's not just rebuilding. That's gross ineptitude. That's a franchise that completely lost its direction for a few years.
They might be on the right path again. But they've got to move up a bit.
Phoenix? Good Lord, I loved the WInnipeg jets. I loved them. But has this franchise ever gone beyond the first round?
Pittsburgh? They're owned by their star player? What else needs to be said.

Look, I remember when Detroit and Toronto stunk up the basement of the Norris Division.
And they were absolutely pathetic.
Detroit kept signing old, washed up stars like Salming and Robinson.
Toronto had Jiri Chyra in goal.
They didn't just go through rebuilding. They sucked.

With a salary cap, many teams should be able to pull themselves out of suckitude.

And that's my point.
After years of mostly crappy finishes and high draft choices, shouldn't these teams be in PRIME POSITION now, with a ton of young, cheap talentm lots of cap room, and a ton of UFAs flooding the market?

Well now we all know where you stand. You have less than 5 years to build a fanbase, or your franchise is pathetic. I can see teams like the Hawks that went out of their way to kick their fans in the crotch, but looking at teams like NASH, they have been doing things the right way. Their biggest problem is that Trotz got the team too competitive too soon, so they didn't have the multiple top 2 or 3 picks that several other franchises have built around (ATL, CLM, etc).

I still don't understand your point with BUFF. They are pathetic because they weren't willing to pay a 2nd/3rd line center $4M? They are pathetic because they were blackmailed by their all-star goalie to trade him to DET at a bargain basement price? Yeah, the owner was crooked. Does that make the Sens a pathetic franchise?
 

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It's not that simple. Fans didn't get over getting majorly screwed in the lockout season and that killed the market. No local investor was willing to put his neck on the line financially when he already knew that the fans were no longer interested in the MLB. The Expos have been dead since 1994... they just stuck around for a few extra years while their pinkslip switched hands on a yearly basis.


ok, but they also lost all of their 94 players due to money reasons...if they were able to keep those players they would have had an all star team for years and years and the fans would have come back

money is the reason the expos never regained ground...they could not afford to sign the stars they developed

name the players they lost because they could not afford them

its a huge list
 

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ok, but they also lost all of their 94 players due to money reasons...if they were able to keep those players they would have had an all star team for years and years and the fans would have come back

money is the reason the expos never regained ground...they could not afford to sign the stars they developed

name the players they lost because they could not afford them

its a huge list
Not really. They would of been able to of kept those players or replace them if new investors stepped in, but the fanbase was no longer interested. Granted, they still had attendance of around 20 000 for a few seasons afterwards but it was nothing compared to the 35 000+ people they were drawing day in and day out in 1994.
 

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Not really. They would of been able to of kept those players or replace them if new investors stepped in, but the fanbase was no longer interested. Granted, they still had attendance of around 20 000 for a few seasons afterwards but it was nothing compared to the 35 000+ people they were drawing day in and day out in 1994.


of course, they were in first place in 94

and if they kept their players they would have played better and brought the fans back

20,000 isn't a bad number for a team that keeps losing its all star players
 

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of course, they were in first place in 94

and if they kept their players they would have played better and brought the fans back

20,000 isn't a bad number for a team that keeps losing its all star players
Whether they won or not, the fans weren't interested in coming back. They felt the "English-world" screwed them over and they wanted no part of the MLB anymore. A couple of years back they were a rising team making a run for the playoffs yet they couldn't attract more than 15 000 people even with good tickets under 20$ canadian. Hell, they weren't even televised for the past 5 years of their existance. Talk about a dead market.
 

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Newsguyone said:
It's good news for the fans of pathetic franchises that should be fully loaded up on young talent and have a ton of cap room to by superstar UFAs at 1992-era prices.

Kinda like Red Wings in the 80's when they sucked so badly it's not even funny and built their Stanley Cup winning core by drafting players like Yzerman, Murphy, Primeau, Kocur, Lapointe?

Good point :shakehead
 

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Kinda like Red Wings in the 80's when they sucked so badly it's not even funny and built their Stanley Cup winning core by drafting players like Yzerman, Murphy, Primeau, Kocur, Lapointe?

Good point :shakehead
Actually, aside from Stevie in '83 the core of the team came about in the 3rd, 4th, and 11th round of the '89 draft. Anyone could have grabbed Lidstrom, Fedorov, or Konstantinov, but the Wings did. Murphy, Primeau were not part of the core at all (Primeau only factored in as the second player to be moved along with Coffey for Shanny) and Kocur (actually the Kocur you are likely referring to never set foot on NHL ice. Joey Kocur was drafted in the 8th of the '83 draft) and Lapointe were secondary pieces.

The Wings drafted very well, but Stevie is the only 1st rounder that was truly part of the necessary core. Here's hoping that Fischer and Kronwall buck the recent trend of crap drafted early. ;)
 

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Peace Treaties=expediant

Declaration of Indepedence=expediant

NHL CBA deal= hey, is that paint peeling? Woo HOO!

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