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BigKing

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I think Danault is an upgrade at 2C for the Kings. I see the reasoning behind the hope of maximizing Kopitar. I like that he wants to play in LA. It’s a good thing to attract winners. I also like that he wants a bigger offensive role on a team, because the Kings #1 need is offense. And his cap hit is solid. The term is ok since he’s 28 and looks like he’ll age well.

I’m excited to see him centering a line with Tkachev and Arvidsson as his wingers. Tkachev looks like a playmaker, Arvidsson the shooter and Danault the distributor. That could be a really great second line. So I’m down with Danault as our 2C, plenty of reasons he can work out just great.

Looking at the rest of the team, there are still to many question marks to feel excited about making the playoffs and standing some kind of chance if you’re a wild card seed. Getting embarrassed by Vegas or Colorado next April is misery most would elect to skip if known ahead of time. So bottom line is that if the Kings are serious about getting back to being a competitive team, they can’t stop at Arvidsson, Danault, Edler, AA.

But they’re kind of stuck because according to CF, they have$1.9M in free cap. If they want to be serious about making the playoffs they need a 25+ goal winger for Kopitar not named Brown. They also need a 35 point defenseman next to Doughty and expecting Edler/Anderson/Bjornfot/Clague/Maata to be that is waiting for the stars to align.

The easiest way to clear some cap is being rid of Brown and Quick. There is $10M that could be used to finish plugging the major holes. There are younger options to fill their roles as down the lineup players. What is the point of collecting all these elite prospects if you’re going to block them with vets? They admitted that Carter was moved to free up minutes for the players who were part of the future plan. So they can deal with the broken hearts and replace that money on players who get this team over the hump.

To be taken seriously as a competitive team, the baseline expectations are make the playoffs as a wildcard and take the division winner to 6-7 games in the first round before bowing out. You do that and you can claim real, tangible improvement. You can come up just a bit short and still claim varying levels of real improvement.

So if Blake stops at Danault/ Edler, then there is little hopes for a decent playoff showing next year. I’d like to see him bring in a winger specifically for Kopitar who is as close to a sure bet for 25+ goals as possible. If he has to pay prospects, so be it. Depending on who came back, there is no true untouchable for me as far as single player.

If a D trade isn’t available, I’m ok not making a hasty move. With Werenski off the market, you’re competing with Steve Yzerman for that type of player and the going rate is basically $10M by itself. So right now, as far as I can see it, we’re right back to the same place as we’ve been since 2008, needing a winger for Kopitar in order to make some noise in the playoffs.

I don't look at the roster on paper and think "playoff lock" either; however, they appear to be a lot closer than before and that is an important part of the rebuild. It definitely could happen whereas those that thought it could possibly happen last season were just hopelessly optimistic.

With Brown, Athanasiou, Edler, Maatta and Carter's retention off the cap next year, the Kings will around $17 million to play with. Petersen or an alternative will need to be signed.

By sheltering the kids another year, and bringing in solidifying veterans this summer, they are far better prepared to fill those spots above internally while having an excess of funds and assets to bring in the sexy impact player(s) that will excite those who are disappointed now.

Just be patient, its a solid plan. This part of growth is fascinating to me, and for the first time in six years I am more optimistic heading into a season than the year prior.

Correct. The veterans brought in this year--outside of Edler--are key parts of the rebuild beyond this year as well. You don't build a building by starting with the roof and working on down to the foundation. The trendy sliding farm door and subway tile backsplash are coming eventually but we aren't there yet. Soon though.
 

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Kings need to COMPETE. Last season was the worst hockey I’ve ever seen. No compete, no scoring, no excitement, nothing. Absolutely wretched hockey. The Kings need to show big improvement and my idea of improvement is Vilardi staying healthy the whole season and putting up 40-45 points, Kempe scoring 20-25 goals, the young guys on defense growing, AA scoring 20-25 goals, and a few of kids in Ontario (mainly QB) being a roster player the second half. If that happens the Kings will be contending for a playoff spot in the final two weeks. If they miss oh well, we still had a great year. The expectation for the following year must absolutely be making the playoffs and the next year they must win a round. That’s consistent improvement and an upward trajectory.
 
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Kings need to COMPETE. Last season was the worst hockey I’ve ever seen. No compete, no scoring, no excitement, nothing. Absolutely wretched hockey. The Kings need to show big improvement and my idea of improvement is Vilardi staying healthy the whole season and putting up 40-45 points, Kempe scoring 20-25 goals, the young guys on defense growing, AA scoring 20-25 goals, and a few of kids in Ontario (mainly QB) being a roster player the second half. If that happens the Kings will be contending for a playoff spot in the final two weeks. If they miss oh well, we still had a great year. The expectation for the following year must absolutely be making the playoffs and the next year they must win a round. That’s consistent improvement and an upward trajectory.
Willie D season was worse IMO.
 

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There’s something to be said for earning your spot as opposed to it being handed to you on a silver platter. Lombardi talked about this more than once. If Byfield is truly deserving, he’ll get called up mid season. Nothing to lose.
I don't recall who, but someone in this forum said the 3C is for Byfield to earn, not to lose. At first, I disagreed with that notion, but sitting back and understanding what Blake said, I am coming around to it. That being said, if Byfield has a stellar camp, he will be in playing in the NHL out of camp. There is no point to bringing him down if he is ready and comfortable in the national.
 

johnjm22

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Danault helps compensate for Kopitar's decline. If he and Arvidsson are the only things that improve the roster than the Kings will still be stuck in neutral.

LA has a lot of players on the cusp of taking a significant step forward:
Kempe
Vilardi
Andersson
Moore
JAD
Grundstrom
Bjornfot
Anderson
Walker
Iafallo

And maybe even Lemieux and AA, or potentially some rookies (Kaliyev, QB, Turcotte).

We need a good portion of these guys listed above to take that step in order for the overall team to be competitive. If that doesn't happen, they'll be picking top 10 again regardless of what Danault/Arvidsson/Kopitar do.
 

brakeyawself

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this x100. Reading Mayor’s projected lines and “Be patient with byfield, he’s only 18” worries me. Stutzle had a great rookie year and Byfield wasn’t able to make an impact in the AHL. I know about the age gap and one played versus men while the other came from the OHL. Regardless, I’m worried. Not to mention the Danault signing signifies that Vilardi, Turcotte and Byfield aren’t ready for the added responsibility. Turcotte and Vilardi will most likely need to shift roles and positions, which they’ve done to Kempe too. Can’t be good for the development of these kids.

I’m just not a fan of the signing because I thought Blake would use the plethora of prospects and flip it into a 2nd line all star centre. Looks like the aim is to get a LHD now. Wonder who they’ll target with Werenski gone.

Depends on how many years Kopitar has left also I would think. But the good thing about Danault is he would make an equally good 3C as 2C. Or I guess a better 3C even. So if the prospects did progress as expected, could have an extremely good spine through all 4 lines. All though, Danault might be kind of an expensive 3C in that regard.

Turcotte worries me the most honestly. But his previous injury has a lot to do with that and he just didn't play for a long swath. Byfield I think was always a high risk/reward. It would really really suck if he didn't advance, but I don't know how big of a shock it would actually be. And, while Lafrenier has at least been decent in the NHL, he did not have the impact thus far that many thought he would. He worries me a whole lot also considering what he was supposed to be. Would suck if both ended up busting lol. Kings and Rangers had no other real options that draft day. As good as Stutzle was, no one was picking him 1st or 2nd on that day. I don't think any team in the NHL would have. But as of now, Stutzle has looked like the best of the 3. I do still have hope for Laf and Byfield though. And Byfield is a big dude. Power forwards like he's going to be usually take an extra year or two to mature, to fill out their body and to gain full control of their body. So patience is necessary and could pay off. But either way, you don't like to see the possibility of such high draft capital lost.

Turcotte though, seemed like a safer option his draft year. Thinking back to draft day, people were shocked Dach went to Chicago instead of Turcotte. But the good thing about Turcotte is that i think he would make an equally solid winger. I would totally still give up a top LD prospect and something else for him to come to the Rangers to play center though. I would be a bit more hesitant about Vilardi, but would probably pay a slightly less, but similar price. Just a fictional trade of course. Even though I think Rangers and Kings would make perfect trade partners, as Rangers have excess D and Kings have excess C. But doubt anything will actually take place. Just wish I could sneak a tiny speaker under Drury's pillow to whisper the idea into his ear while he sleeps. Would cost so much less than Eichel, who can't even play a full 82 games. I'm going to be so pissed if Rangers do make a move for Eichel.

Vilardi is a tough one. Also had some health issues. But I am not sure he'd work out as well on the wing. All though I really thought he looked great at times last season.

Did Kupari play on the wing or center in his 7 game stint? Don't think I caught any of those games.
 

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Nice. What I caught was "Danault gets his second goal of the night, who's getting an opportunity to play on the top line with Radulov and Pacioretty"
So as he moves up with top tier talent, he can produce and score goals. I think he can score 15 goals and top 50 pts with decent talent on line 2 here.
Also, goes from behind his own net and beats everyone with speed and finishes. Have not seen a King center go end to end like that...since?
 

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Danault's value to Canadiens clearer after short absence in loss to Flames

They were the most revealing moments of this Canadiens season, with Phillip Danault receiving treatment in the locker room while the other Montreal centres were getting worked on by the Calgary Flames.

The 28-year-old pivot felt something go on his fifth shift of the first period, with 12:40 remaining, and he skated off the ice and headed straight for the locker room, leaving Nick Suzuki, Jesperi Kotkaniemi and winger-turned-centre Paul Byron to do all the work up the middle for the Canadiens while rookie centre Jake Evans looked on from the press box as the Flames built a snow bank in front of Carey Price and took a 2-0 lead to first intermission.

The takeaway was obvious — that Danault’s importance to the team was largely undersold in the aftermath of his off-season comments about being unwilling to just lay down and accept a reduced role, and that his slow start and his failure to produce a goal until Game 25 only further masked just how valuable he truly was to Montreal’s success.

Because Danault knew long ago what Canadiens fans are discovering right now: That even though Kotkaniemi and Suzuki have proven they can handle more responsibility, it would be too much to ask of players so young to carry the Canadiens on a nightly basis while playing the most challenging position. Especially in this all-Canadian North Division, which features some of the best centres and defencemen in the NHL.

And what happened to Kotkaniemi (20) and Suzuki (21) in Saturday’s 3-1 loss to the Flames was just one of many lessons they’ll be served up on their way to becoming the players they’re expected to be.

These are lessons 26-year-old Sean Monahan learned well before he scored the first two goals of this one.
In Edmonton, two of the best players in the world — 24-year-old Connor McDavid and 25-year-old Leon Draisaitl — may have produced at exceptional levels, but they still went through the classic growing pains early on and have since emerged with a better understanding of what it takes to do the job at both ends of the ice night in, night out. And look at who 23-year-old Auston Matthews is now versus who he was a year ago, when he still had under 300 games of NHL experience under his belt.

“It’s the NHL,” said Canadiens coach Dominique Ducharme. “It’s the best league in the world and there’s nothing easy.”

Not the matchups, not the travel, and certainly not the unrelenting schedule in this shortened season, which appears to have caught up to Kotkaniemi, Suzuki and the rest of the Canadiens at a time when they really need to win games to maintain their grip on a playoff spot.

It’s why Ducharme kept them away from the rink on Saturday morning after they were off from practice Friday. They had no energy in Thursday’s loss to Calgary, which came 22 hours after their dominant win over the Canucks in Vancouver, and he wanted to ensure they’d have what they needed for this all-important rubber match—with the Flames just four points behind in the standings.

“I liked our energy before the game,” Ducharme said after the Flames cut their deficit to two points. “But the game started and we weren’t moving our feet and we couldn’t execute because of it.”

The coach said there was no excuse for that.

But there was a reason. Because two of the players who can initiate that process for the Canadiens are Kotkaniemi and Suzuki, just by nature of where they line up and how much they must be depended on, and both of them were going through a growing-pains kind of night.

Even from the start, if you watched them closely away from the puck, they struggled to get to those key areas of the ice to provide a passing option for the defence or support the rush up the ice. And that issue was exacerbated when Danault left the game.

It persisted through his first shifts back in the second period, when he could barely move or dig in for faceoffs.

“He’s been a big part of this team for a while, and he’s good in the faceoff circle and he’s responsible defensively,” said Jeff Petry, whose 11th goal of the season stood as Montreal’s only one in the game. “So when a guy like that leaves for a bit of time, it’s definitely a hole that’s tough to fill.”

It was nearly impossible with Evans not dressed. Byron played just over 10 minutes at the position, Jonathan Drouin played a few shifts there, and it was particularly challenging with Kotkaniemi and Suzuki not quite on point.

And don’t get us wrong, Kotkaniemi and Suzuki both got better as the game wore on — they even both came out on the winning side of the ledger on faceoffs.

But if Kotkaniemi and Suzuki combined for just one shot attempt between them despite each of them playing roughly 19 minutes — Suzuki would’ve played more if he hadn’t been forced away for 10 minutes of the third period to go through concussion protocol following a collision with teammate Corey Perry — it wasn’t because this was one of their better nights in the NHL.

This was one of those nights both players knew they’d be facing prior to taking on elevated roles with the team this season. It was one of those nights they had to experience in order to continue progressing.
“That’s what I want,” said Suzuki. “I want to be a good player in this league that’s going up against tough matchups—other teams’ top lines, other teams’ top D pairs. That’s the player I want to be and I think it’s been good for me.”

But he also said he needs to rediscover the confidence with which he started the season, because he’s been humbled a few times since—just as Kotkaniemi has—and he’s now gone four straight games without a point.

Suzuki’s got 17 in 27 games, which is still good production for his first full season as a top centre. And Kotkaniemi has fared reasonably well, too, putting up 14 points while playing mostly third-line minutes.

But the game is about more than just points, and both players need Danault to insulate them as they navigate the growth process in all other areas.

Ducharme said whatever was ailing Danault was nothing too serious, even if it prevented him from playing anywhere near his ability for most of Saturday’s game. There were some camera shots at the beginning of the second period that showed the athletic therapist massaging his back on the bench, and the Canadiens will have to hope that, with some rest and more treatment, he’ll be okay to play in Winnipeg on Monday.

Because the Canadiens are taking on a Jets team that pulled to within four points of the division lead with a win over the Toronto Maple Leafs Saturday — a Jets team with a centre line of Mark Scheifele, Paul Stastny, Adam Lowry and Nate Thompson — and it isn’t going to get any easier for their young centremen against them.
 

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So help me if our top line next season is still Iafallo - Kopitar - Brown.

I'd still love to see Vilardi next to Kopitar. Get Vilardi to shoot the f***ing puck more often. Just launch it! Maybe Andersson or Moore can handle 3C duties?

Iafallo - Kopitar - Vilardi
Kempe - Danault - Arvidsson
Athanasiou - Andersson - Brown
Grundstrom - JAD - Moore

Who did I forget this time?
Tkachev
 
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Mats26

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We needed new voices in the room, new leaders. Danault, Arvidsson bring it on the ice and are class acts. In Danault's case he seems like a glue guy that keeps the locker room loose. Claude Julien loved him. Maybe overplayed him at times especially in OT 3-3 but both are coaches type of players. Both were first line players.

Biggest positive I see. It eases prospects in the lineup and most will either play with Kopitar or Danault so they can learn the 2 way game without hopefully sacrificing their offensive talent.
 

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If Kopitar isnt asked to be the main defensive center and play all those minutes maybe hell start taking the puck to the net and not just playing the perimeter.
Danault will make things easyer for his line because he will take load of defensive duty. Kopitar will use his skills and ice time to score goals just like Nick Suzuki did for the Habs Canadiens.
 
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Strange that the NMC/NTC are split like that. If the Kings make the playoffs; you'll be happy to have Danault. But the flip side is, he went almost a full year between beating a goalie (had an empty net goal in that period)
Habs fan here. Kings fans this is a typical Habs troll and lack of hockey knowlage. The last 4 years Danault has been bashed by Habs fans for his low production of goals while he was ending the seasons with a + facing the top lines. Every day since the last 4 years Danault have been targetted by an hord of trolls, despite being the best center for the Habs, despite centering the best line and despite shut down Austin Matthews, Lyle Connors, VGK top lines and Point in the last PO run. He shut down McDavid and Draisaitle in regular season and still receive bashing on the Habs forum. I'm very happy for Phil Danault to leave Montreal and to play for a great city with people with class and brains. Montreal Habs fanbase is very toxic.

ps. I changed my avatar last PO run to have a slice of pizza, very funny, I will keep it for a while.
Every press conference when Habs eliminated a team, Phil Danault had a slice of pizza when he was answering questions.
 

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People are really going to need to throttle back expectations for this guy.

Just because he has an exotic Russian name, it doesn’t mean he is going to be anything more than he actually is:

A b-level option to fill a spot in the middle six.
 

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People are really going to need to throttle back expectations for this guy.

Just because he has an exotic Russian name, it doesn’t mean he is going to be anything more than he actually is:

A b-level option to fill a spot in the middle six.

I've rarely seen anyone even pencil him into a lineup, honestly.

I'm pretty sure we're all on the same page, low expectations, could be decent lottery ticket, low risk, medium-high reward.
 

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