Rumor: Kyle Dubas travels to to NYC to take in the flames vs rangers game. Why?

[McClelland]

Probably wanted to watch Gaudreau undress Skjei

Thats more then i needed to know!

 

[DougGilmour93]

Can we make it simpler?

Nylander for Barrie + ...?

It's kind of a lateral move for us to bring in Nylander while simultaneously moving Jost. We need forward depth/secondary scoring.

Jost would be imperative imo.
I’d prefer to go the route of ...
Jost + Timmins +
For
Nylander

 

[Brock Radunske]

Noticed the Flames played Brodie with Giordano in the first period and then with Hanifin in the 2nd period. Showcasing him without Gio for Dubas?

Also Anderson and Valimaki look ready now and Hamonic is coming back soon....

The add needed with Hanifin for Nylander would give you whiplash.

 

[Brobust]

Can we make it simpler?

Nylander for Barrie + ...?

It's kind of a lateral move for us to bring in Nylander while simultaneously moving Jost. We need forward depth/secondary scoring.

I don't know the term for Barrie for Nylander.

I posterior move a thing.

 

[Starat327]

What is it that you think that they control, his choice of hairstyle? The only thing out of their control is if he signs an offer sheet, at which point they get back a pre-defined return and their cost is still controlled.....they just get to make a choice.

The fact that he isnt signed already means he isnt cost controlled. Leafs are playing hardball with a number (presumably - i admittedly know little of the details), or Nylander is playing hardball with a number. Either way, the 'cost' the leafs are willing to pay isnt acceptable to Nylander, and he thinks not playing is a better option.

He cant go play anywhere else in the NHL, so he's team controlled, but that he hasnt signed kind of implies that he isnt cost controlled.

 

[Starat327]

“Hardly” means he is.

hardly

[hahrd-lee]

not at all :That report is hardly surprising.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

The fact that he isnt signed already means he isnt cost controlled. Leafs are playing hardball with a number (presumably - i admittedly know little of the details), or Nylander is playing hardball with a number. Either way, the 'cost' the leafs are willing to pay isnt acceptable to Nylander, and he thinks not playing is a better option.

He cant go play anywhere else in the NHL, so he's team controlled, but that he hasnt signed kind of implies that he isnt cost controlled.

By that rationale, no player is ever cost controlled as non of them ever has to sign a contract, even coming out of juniors.

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

Why? I'm guessing because hes 31 and the GM of an original 6 team and wants to go take in a game in one of the best sporting venues in all of sports? And scout the Rangers while hes doing it? I'm guessing hed send a minion to scout them if the game were in South Dakota, though.

The vast majority of executives were probably fans first. I'd take advantage of that as well.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

hardly

[hahrd-lee]

not at all :That report is hardly surprising.

hardly

adverb
hard·ly | \ˈhärd-lē \
Definition of hardly

4a —used to emphasize a minimal amount

I hardly knew her
almost new — hardly a scratch on it

 

[Starat327]

hardly

adverb
hard·ly | \ˈhärd-lē \
Definition of hardly

4a —used to emphasize a minimal amount

I hardly knew her
almost new — hardly a scratch on it

Correct. The word has multiple definitions. Glad we could have a grammar lesson today.

 

[Starat327]

By that rationale, no player is ever cost controlled as non of them ever has to sign a contract, even coming out of juniors.

I think its fair to say when a player is refusing to sign the contracts put in front of them after multiple discussions, we can shift away from the 'cost-controlled' piece. All semantics in the end though.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Correct. The word has multiple definitions. Glad we could have a grammar lesson today.

When grammar meets grammar coming through the rye....

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

I think its fair to say when a player is refusing to sign the contracts put in front of them after multiple discussions, we can shift away from the 'cost-controlled' piece. All semantics in the end though.

Sure though in the case of anyone pre-UFA, it's the whole intention of the contract status (ELC, RFA etc.) achieved through the bargaining process to always enforce some degree of cost (or loss) control.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

Why? I'm guessing because hes 31 and the GM of an original 6 team and wants to go take in a game in one of the best sporting venues in all of sports? And scout the Rangers while hes doing it? I'm guessing hed send a minion to scout them if the game were in South Dakota, though.

The vast majority of executives were probably fans first. I'd take advantage of that as well.

You are correct.
He met with Nylanders agent in NY and took in a few games.

Not saying he didn't talk hockey, but id say his main intention was to watch.

 

[Starat327]

Sure though in the case of anyone pre-UFA, it's the whole intention of the contract status (ELC, RFA etc.) achieved through the bargaining process to always enforce some degree of cost (or loss) control.

Correct, its part of the procedure, i get that. Cost controlled is usually referenced in a term of cost certainty, as in "this player is locked up for x years at y amount." Here it's become "hes an RFA, hes cost controlled", which isnt necessarily true - though the team usually has the upper hand and last say to force that. Extreme example here, but Connor McDavid wasnt 'cost controlled'.

I dont think any RFA who hasnt signed is no longer under cost control. I would have called Nurse cost controlled while he was doing his thing. But Nylander skipping the pre season, missing NHL games, is a bit of a different animal.

The idea of a player' being cost controlled while over a prolonged period of time, missing games, and showing no real signs of progress(that ive seen), and multiple contract discussions - i think we can at least partially agree here, is a bit misleading.

 

[CupInSIX]

Jost would be imperative imo.
I’d prefer to go the route of ...
Jost + Timmins +
For
Nylander

You want Sakic's left or right nut with that as well?

 

[Cousin Eddie]

You want Sakic's left or right nut with that as well?

I’d trade Jost+Timmins for Nylander as an Avs fan no problem.

 

[CupInSIX]

I’d trade Jost+Timmins for Nylander as an Avs fan no problem.

Well then you're fine with overpaying: a good young forward who's cost controlled for another year, a good prospect in order to get back a soft winger who wants god knows how much money.

and he did say Jost + Timmins +

 

[LamorielloAndSon]

nylander/andersen for lundqvist(assuming he waives nmc)

Why would the leafs do that?

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Well then you're fine with overpaying: a good young forward who's cost controlled for another year, a good prospect in order to get back a soft winger who wants god knows how much money.

and he did say Jost + Timmins +

Yeah but the last + wouldn't be a huge piece. The core of the deal is Jost and Timmins.


Jost is a hefty price to pay. As a young cost controlled asset he has lots of value. There's legitimate concern over Timmins health and IMO Meloche makes more sense for the Leafs as a big mean shutdown defender with offensive upside for them.


But Nylander would be a great add to our secondary scoring and an even better add to the PP for us. He's worth the price.


The big concern with Nylander is money. At 8M the Avs simply cant do it as the backlash of that contract would put us in a world of hurt soon after trying to get Rantanen signed.


If hes willing to come off that 8M tag on a new team then perhaps something could work. But as it is now I dont see the Avs or anyone paying the price tag for Nylander in trade or contract negotiations.

 

[easton117]

Maybe he just wanted to see the Rangers goal celebration/horn live. It’s very catchy.

Or he gets free flights to places and a gms life window is probably 5-10 years.

There’s no limit on the amount of air miles if rack up if it was free. Id be scouting for players in the Caribbean all winter.

 

[Nizdizzle]

Why would the leafs do that?

Its a mystery. More than a few Rangers fans have been trying to push Nylander for Lundqvist for some reason.

 

[blankall]

The add needed with Hanifin for Nylander would give you whiplash.

Really? Hanifin is 21. He was drafted #5 overall. He is looking like a solid #3 that is likely to become a solid #2 dman.

Look at recent returns for players like that.

 

[StumpyTown]

The last thing the Leafs need is one of the NYR d-men. The Leafs at this point have scored more goals than any other team in the league (34) and yet 6 of the 7 dmen who have played for them are minus players. That was quite the surprise to me looking at their stats. What the Leafs need is a great shutdown pair to go along with the offensively gifted guys they already have. I don't look at the Rangers D and see that there.

 

[madmike77]

Noticed the Flames played Brodie with Giordano in the first period and then with Hanifin in the 2nd period. Showcasing him without Gio for Dubas?

Also Anderson and Valimaki look ready now and Hamonic is coming back soon....

Brodie played like garbage and had his icetime reduced. It was hardly a showcase game for him.