Kucherov now vs Peak Kane

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better player

  1. kucherov now

    42.1%
  2. peak patrick kane

    50.4%
  3. too close to call

    7.6%
  1. CanadianHawks

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    Kucherov is an incredible player, but Kane looks like he should be the MVP if the Hawks make the playoffs. Considering he would have won a Conn Smythe and 2 Hart trophies at that point, it should be clear who the better player is
     
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    Don't forget he probably should have the 2010 CS as well
     
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    Could have easily given it to any of Keith, Toews or Kane Imo. All were worthy
     
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    But his 2013 Conn Smythe should have gone to Crawford.
     
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    Goals are definitely worth more than assists.

    It's bizarre than anyone equates a secondary assist with a goal.
     
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    Because a goal is more valuable than an assist

    Some sports dont even count the assist

    What's worth more in basketball, the 2 points or the assist?
     
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    Current Patrick Kane is better than Kucherov, let alone peak Kane
     
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    Generally speaking for the regular season, yes.

    There were stretches in their prime for hundreds of games where Selanne was just plain better - such as '95-96 through '98-99. That's 300 games played where Teemu was superior in PPG and massively better at GPG.

    Durability is also a huge discriminator between the two. I think on HF durability is really a huge minus because those players don't benefit from the JFK "what if" syndrome. Whereas for the imaginary Forsberg of lore, the sky is the limit. He becomes the most "complete" player ever despite only being healthy enough to play 700 games.

    That said I think Forsberg's MVP season is better than any single season Selanne has had.
     
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    Yes goal scored are worth more than assists but sometimes the assist is better than the goal. Examples are tap ins and easy rebounds or empty net goals. However, considering the circumstances Kane IMO is just all around better and he's a champion.
     
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    What about defense though? That's the problem with the goals > assists argument (on average they are worth slightly more but not more than a primary), a lot of times the better playmaker is the better defensive player.
    You have to look at their overall game.
     
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    Not just sometimes, I would say many times especially if we're talking about elite playmakers.
     
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    Kane is supposedly best he's been (ppg wise). Supposedly Kucherov > Kane this season. Kane good margin in poll.
     
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    This Kane is as good as peak kane
     
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    The last straw OV fans have
     
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    Now reg. season is over, Kuch wins this comfortably
     
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    Kuch finishes with 128 points. The only time Kane hit that number was in junior.

    Kucherov easily
     
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    Kane doesn’t play with 2 all star line mates...
     
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    Kane's season in '16 was pretty similar in terms of scoring relative to the league. Kucherov has an advantage adjusted to league GPG, Kane has an advantage adjusted to percentage above his peers
     
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    Tyler Johnson the All star. Point actually wasn’t an all star either so he was playing with 0 all stars. Nice try though.
     
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    Lol if you try to argue that the hawks were not stacked for years then you’re a troll. Also Toews and Debrincat are no slouches, and Kucherov only has one all star on his line (point, who was not an all star this year)
     
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    DeBrincat wasnt with Kane at all try Caggiula
     
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    kucherov

    128 points in todays NHL is insane. Crosby & McDavid has not done that
     
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    Are we still sure about that?
     

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