Korolyuk out with a groin injury

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rananda

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this is a joke. ridic that morozov isnt on this team. blah blah. i dont care, they beat canada. morozov should be on this team. blah blah. too drunk to care. so silly that morozov isnt added to this team. blah nepryaev blah
 

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I’ve always liked Nepryaev, but I am surprised and disappointed they didn’t pick Antipov (who is practicing as well in Switzerland with Loko I guess..)
Besides, Brylin should have been on the taxi squad and would have been a proper replacement (and instead of Taratukhin already).
 

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Let Taratukhin play. The minor role that he has on the team provides him with invaluable experience. Just imagine how much more ready he will be for the upcoming world championships after participating in this olympics.

It's really sad to see Korolyuk go. He was excellent for us and was a big part of this team. Morozov refused to come as a replacement player so screw him. Nepryaev is a good choice I think.

Also, Malkin is only missing the semis, right? He'll be allowed to play in the bronze or hopefully the gold game?
 

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what's krikunov going to do without 4 full lines for fri? does he double shift someone the whole game? does he rotate 3 centers through 4 sets of wings? does he double shift 2 different centers? or does he just use 3 basic lines and then have nepryaev and afino see some time on special teams? i like this only because it makes krikunov do something other than mechanically roll over his 4 lines without thinking.

why did morozov decline to go on the taxi squad? i wonder if he was really asked. even though he must have been disappointed in not being named to the team (rightly so) he had to know that he would most likely get a chance, and he could have helped the team win gold. and he could have increased his chances of being picked up a ufa with a good contract. i love morozov, am outraged that he wasnt named, but i still think he should have gone anyway. now he'd be playing in the semifinals. i suspect krikunov never actually invited him.

the canada game was my gold medal game. when kovalev scored that goal, how great a feeling was that. with the way they played yesterday, i cant see them losing (though they need to do something about the pp, like put kovalchuk on the point).
 

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At least you saw right (so did I). Bob "old" Cole thought it was Smyth that left for the dressing room even though the player that left was blatantly wearing a RED FRICKEN JERSEY!!!


Cole has got to go!!!
Maybe you need to go, it was neale who said it.
 

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Great patriotism and dedication by Korolyuk to give at all he's got an try to play injured. He has been one of Russia's better players, and most have been pretty darn good.
 

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Metallian said:
...you're kidding right?


We already have one Afinogenov on the team, and this one has the experience of scoring the only goal against the Czechs in 2002 and scoring some clutch goals for Russia in 2005. Sorry, Zherdev is not yet a great enough offensive threat to warrant taking him as a go-to offensive guy who will not be relied upon to play defense. Admit it, he is not quite Ovechkin yet.
 

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Brylin would have been the best replacement, as he could have taken Malkin's spot on the 2nd/3rd line for the semifinal, and played on the 4th line in the final. However, I think he refused to wait around in Turin given that he might or might not play. Im fairly sure he would agree to come play, but think about it, we fly him over to Italy in 16 hours or so, and then he has to switch over timezones and such for like 5 days... Napryiev or whatever might be a better pick.

However: Morozov, Zvinovjev, Mozyakin, Antipov, But, Kurdometov, Chistov, Grigorenko (and possibly Semin or Zaripov) are some RSL names I presonally would consider ahead of Napryiev. Granted, not many of these guys are solid defensive forwards which our Lokomotiv friend in question supposedly is.

I guess who gets 4th line duty isnt crucial as long as they do their defensive job. I just dont like how our 4th line went from a thread with Frolov, Korolyuk, and Kozlov being on it... to an actual 4th line.
 

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Korolyuk was great killing penalties and just being a solid two way forward, I hope he can play.
 

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Slitty said:
We already have one Afinogenov on the team, and this one has the experience of scoring the only goal against the Czechs in 2002 and scoring some clutch goals for Russia in 2005. Sorry, Zherdev is not yet a great enough offensive threat to warrant taking him as a go-to offensive guy who will not be relied upon to play defense. Admit it, he is not quite Ovechkin yet.

Yes, he's not a defensive specialist and yes, he's not Ovechkin

But skill-wise he's better than half the players on the roster

definately better than: Teretukhin, Nep, Kharitonov, Afinogenov, Zhamnov, Frolov for starters
 

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Metallian said:
But skill-wise he's better than half the players on the roster

definately better than: Teretukhin, Nep, Kharitonov, Afinogenov, Zhamnov, Frolov for starters

Ehhh. Ahhh. Spoken like a true expert: Zherdev better than two centers, one of whom you can't spell correctly and the other is not on the team. Better then three more guys who have proved themselves time and again and scored clutch goals (Max), important goals (Kharitonov) and simply scored (Frolov). Yep, we should have taken him over Turapupkin.

But in fact I think he is blacklisted with this coaching staff.
 

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Slitty said:
However: Morozov, Zvinovjev, Mozyakin, Antipov, But, Kurdometov, Chistov, Grigorenko (and possibly Semin or Zaripov) are some RSL names I presonally would consider ahead of Napryiev. Granted, not many of these guys are solid defensive forwards which our Lokomotiv friend in question supposedly is.

I would also take these ones over Nepryaev with the exception of a) Semin who has been disappearing big time as of late, b) Zinoviev, who is a center, but Ivan played in 2005 WC with 11 players from this roster, so I don't think he will fail. Although Antipov would be a better choice and similarly available. Nepryaev also has the upside that he can play both center and wing
 

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Ehhh. Ahhh. Spoken like a true expert: Zherdev better than two centers, one of whom you can't spell correctly and the other is not on the team. Better then three more guys who have proved themselves time and again and scored clutch goals (Max), important goals (Kharitonov) and simply scored (Frolov). Yep, we should have taken him over Turapupkin.

But in fact I think he is blacklisted with this coaching staff.

i was speaking in skill - god forbid i make a typo on a name or two. zhamnov was named to the team originally, no?

afinogenov = experience means absolutely nothing in short tournaments such as these. nothing. past success doesnt mean anything and canada has already shown that first hand. not saying i dont like him, i'm a fan, but he's nowhere near Nik's level

kharitonov = i still dont think he should be on the team.

frolov = zherdev is on a similar level as frolov, and i'm suprised he wasnt called in once frolov was injured....which leads me to more baffling as to why Tara/Nep have been called and still no Zherdev
 

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Metallian said:
Yes, he's not a defensive specialist and yes, he's not Ovechkin

But skill-wise he's better than half the players on the roster

definately better than: Teretukhin, Nep, Kharitonov, Afinogenov, Zhamnov, Frolov for starters


Agreed. However, there are only so many skilled purely offensive guys we can have on the team. Someone has to play defense.... Kovalchuk, Ovechkin, and to a lesser extent guys like Kovalev dont. Zherdev isn't yet good enough to take the roster spot of one of those purely offensive guys. Nor is he good enough to replace our well-rounded stars like Datsyuk, Malkin, and Sushinsky.

-Taratukhin made the roster because a center was needed, and he is a hardworking defensive forward, something that was needed for the 4th line. Zherdev is neither a center nor a defensive specialist. Brylin or Fedorov may have been better choices, but for one reason or another, they arent in Turin.

-Nep I don't know about much. Supposedly he was selected for 4th line duty, something the RSL alternatives I mentioned weren't as suitable for. Nep, like Taratukhin is a replacement, and as I reasoned above, it would be illogical to fly an NHLer replacement into Turin, especially not Zherdev for 4th line duty.

-Kharitonov has had excellent combination plays with Sushinsky and Malkin. Has been excellent in his playmaking role, and pulled a sick move against Canada to split the defence and break in alone on Brodeur. He is also no slouch on defence, and unlike Zherdev, is Sushinsky's and Malkin's linemate for the better portion of the year. (Dynamo and team Russia)

-Afinogenov I'm going to argue is more skilled than Zherdev. Have you seen some of the stuff Afinogenov can do... calling him not as skilled as someone is a sin unless you are talking about Datsyuk or something. He has performed similarly to Zherdev in the NHL this year, but the above mentioned experience makes the difference.

-Zhamnov, despite having a bad season and being injured in Boston is no slouch in terms of skill. He is not the Zhamnov of 1993, but he is still okay and brings vetran experience, leadership, and 3 Olympic games under his belt to the team. He was also buddies with Pavel Bure and a center, something which Russia needed and Zherdev is not. Thus he made the team.

-Frolov is outperforming Zherdev in the NHL offensively. He is also a large player who is known for his hussle and defence... not Zherdev's forte. Maybe not as purely skilled, but a better overall player, much more suited to the 4th line on which he played. He may be missed.

I know Zherdev is a fellow xaxol, but c'mon Metalian, he was behind at least Morozov on the right wing depth chart after those who made the team... and knowing Krikunov, probably some guy like Grigorenko as well. Its not yet his time, he should get play in the World Championships given how well Columbus is doing, and show the World what he is made of in 2010.
 

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Metallian said:
frolov = zherdev is on a similar level as frolov, and i'm suprised he wasnt called in once frolov was injured....which leads me to more baffling as to why Tara/Nep have been called and still no Zherdev

Please refer to my above comments on how impractical it would be to bring over a replacement from North America.
 

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Slitty said:
Its not yet his time, he should get play in the World Championships given how well Columbus is doing, and show the World what he is made of in 2010.

Most of these guys played in Eurotour, WC's and have gelled together, proven themselves. I mean, the guy has to 1) show some interest in representing, 2) play a tourny or two before the OG... And that's why he is blacklisted for now. Then again right now, Morozov, Grigs, Chistov > Zherdev for the position
 

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Slitty said:
Agreed. However, there are only so many skilled purely offensive guys we can have on the team. Someone has to play defense.... Kovalchuk, Ovechkin, and to a lesser extent guys like Kovalev dont. Zherdev isn't yet good enough to take the roster spot of one of those purely offensive guys.

fair enough. good points.

Slitty said:
-Taratukhin made the roster because a center was needed, and he is a hardworking defensive forward, something that was needed for the 4th line. Zherdev is neither a center nor a defensive specialist. Brylin or Fedorov may have been better choices, but for one reason or another, they arent in Turin.

for the sake of positioning, sure thing, Tara can be taken off the list.

Slitty said:
-Nep I don't know about much. Supposedly he was selected for 4th line duty, something the RSL alternatives I mentioned weren't as suitable for. Nep, like Taratukhin is a replacement, and as I reasoned above, it would be illogical to fly an NHLer replacement into Turin, especially not Zherdev for 4th line duty.

You make flying someone in sound like a big deal. Though yes, it's more practical to pick a RSL player, its not like the jetlag would have killed him.

and 4th line duty? what happened to "rolling 4 lines"? wasnt that the reasoning for malkin being on the 4th?

Slitty said:
-Kharitonov has had excellent combination plays with Sushinsky and Malkin. Has been excellent in his playmaking role, and pulled a sick move against Canada to split the defence and break in alone on Brodeur. He is also no slouch on defence, and unlike Zherdev, is Sushinsky's and Malkin's linemate for the better portion of the year. (Dynamo and team Russia)
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I agree'd with Shish being on the team, but I still say that Zherdev with the two of them would have been better - season chemistry or not. I have so far been unimpressed with Khari

Slitty said:
-Afinogenov I'm going to argue is more skilled than Zherdev. Have you seen some of the stuff Afinogenov can do... calling him not as skilled as someone is a sin unless you are talking about Datsyuk or something. He has performed similarly to Zherdev in the NHL this year, but the above mentioned experience makes the difference.

-Zhamnov, despite having a bad season and being injured in Boston is no slouch in terms of skill. He is not the Zhamnov of 1993, but he is still okay and brings vetran experience, leadership, and 3 Olympic games under his belt to the team. He was also buddies with Pavel Bure and a center, something which Russia needed and Zherdev is not. Thus he made the team.

Afinogenov is a tease. He is in no way as skilled as Nik. Not even close. Yes, he pulled off some nice dekes when he was younger and still can from time to time, but for gods sake he cant finish at a high level. He's on dimensional and isn't even dominant in his one dimension.

Zhamnov was good years ago, not anymore. He was Russia's "Kris Draper" I guess...

Frolov is hardly outperforming Zherdev offensively though. Nik had a slow start but for the last while has really turned it on while Alex is cooling off.

Slitty said:
I know Zherdev is a fellow xaxol, but c'mon Metalian, he was behind at least Morozov on the right wing depth chart after those who made the team... and knowing Krikunov, probably some guy like Grigorenko as well. Its not yet his time, he should get play in the World Championships given how well Columbus is doing, and show the World what he is made of in 2010.

Xaxol? I dont know what that is but it sounds like *******.. :dunno:

He shouldnt be behind Morozov or Grigorenko though. To say that is a joke. Give me a break :rolleyes:
 
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