The Rangers have 11 seconds and 8 thirds leading up to 2025. That is better than what we have seen in the past. Rangers use to give those seconds away and leave holes in the draft. My concern is more towards the draft and developing players. I think some drafted players are already capable of putting up numbers when they come into the league if the right ones are picked. Looking at the top rookies some have around 30 points.I'll kick it off with a re-post:
It seemed like this year teams were trying to dial back on the ludicrous prices being paid. Aside from Niagara, no one was coughing up loads of high picks and blue chip young kids. Teams like Ottawa were refusing to give up roster players. I think all of that added up to teams like Kitchener holding onto their players.
I don't like that we did because in a year like this, I think you need to come away with at least one or two good future assets (2nd rounders or good 01/02s) and we didn't. In fact the cupboard is arguably less stocked than before. But if teams weren't willing to pay or kids weren't willing to go, it can stall the best laid plans. I just hope MM tried, because selling the fans on this identical roster next year is going to be tough.
I'll kick it off with a re-post:
It seemed like this year teams were trying to dial back on the ludicrous prices being paid. Aside from Niagara, no one was coughing up loads of high picks and blue chip young kids. Teams like Ottawa were refusing to give up roster players. I think all of that added up to teams like Kitchener holding onto their players.
I don't like that we did because in a year like this, I think you need to come away with at least one or two good future assets (2nd rounders or good 01/02s) and we didn't. In fact the cupboard is arguably less stocked than before. But if teams weren't willing to pay or kids weren't willing to go, it can stall the best laid plans. I just hope MM tried, because selling the fans on this identical roster next year is going to be tough.
Meireles, Garreffa and Yantsis will be among the top OA's in the league next year. They'll likely bring more in return than they would have brought in the last 24 hours. (Good on MM for not moving them for below market value. Getting schooled on the McHugh deal was enough).
I expect a return of at least two 2nds and a 3rd for each based on the prices paid for high end OA's this year in a buyer's market. I don't see us contending next year so we need to sell on these guys, along with Damiani.
Not to nitpick, but this contradicts what you have said the past 3-4 days in particular about moving these 99's. I recall you blasting a few posters about not wanting to move them unless the deal made sense saying offseason will be even less, but now its because the "value" will be better in the offseason? I don't get it....
I was in the same boat BTW, but I still think they should have been moved.
It's a game. Taking meek returns is a fail. Not getting any returns is a fail. So which is the lesser fail? Only MM knows.
No doubt we'll have three high end OAs next year if they all come back but I see no evidence of much to be excited about. They have to get serious about goaltending and developing the kids. It's the only path out of this. The rest of this year will be painful to watch.
They better get an exciting player in the draft or the exodus from the seats could be heavy.
MM was asking ridiculous prices or players in return that’s why no moves, teams triedNot to nitpick, but this contradicts what you have said the past 3-4 days in particular about moving these 99's. I recall you blasting a few posters about not wanting to move them unless the deal made sense saying offseason will be even less, but now its because the "value" will be better in the offseason? I don't get it....
I was in the same boat BTW, but I still think they should have been moved.
MoWanchuki and you know this how? OHLInsiders? Highly doubt any person posting on any forum here knows anything about what was being done in Kitchener or in any other GMs office. They might say something to a reporter of a local paper telling them they won't trade roster players (Ottawa) but that is about all the ordinary fan would hear. The rest comes from speculation or just made up IMO.MM was asking ridiculous prices or players in return that’s why no moves, teams tried
Meireles should be named captain now. Glad he is still here. Kid never stops moving. He would have fit in nicely on any contender and would have been a top skater on that squad.Not to mention "ridiculous" is a subjective term. There were posters visiting our board to tell us expecting multiple 2nds for Meireles was ridiculous. Really? Because there is absolutely no incentive to move a guy with 1.5 years left who is your top scorer, fastest skater, top special teams performer and leader if you're not getting at least that.
Meireles should be named captain now. Glad he is still here. Kid never stops moving. He would have fit in nicely on any contender and would have been a top skater on that squad.
As a 2nd year GM I'd say the lesser of the two evils is not getting any returns. Spott was known to get swindled from time to time and when other GMs know they can push you over, they'll do their best to do so. Not sure this amounts to anything in reality, but I'd rather have a GM that refuses to be taken advantage of over a GM who gets more deals done but loses many of them.It's a game. Taking meek returns is a fail. Not getting any returns is a fail. So which is the lesser fail? Only MM knows.
No doubt we'll have three high end OAs next year if they all come back but I see no evidence of much to be excited about. They have to get serious about goaltending and developing the kids. It's the only path out of this. The rest of this year will be painful to watch.
They better get an exciting player in the draft or the exodus from the seats could be heavy.
Meireles should be named captain now. Glad he is still here. Kid never stops moving. He would have fit in nicely on any contender and would have been a top skater on that squad.
As a 2nd year GM I'd say the lesser of the two evils is not getting any returns. Spott was known to get swindled from time to time and when other GMs know they can push you over, they'll do their best to do so. Not sure this amounts to anything in reality, but I'd rather have a GM that refuses to be taken advantage of over a GM who gets more deals done but loses many of them.
I thought MM did a very good job last year, this year has been mediocre/below average (although from the eye test, I am liking the Stepien trade). Next year is a "show me" season that will start to tip the balances and tell us more about the quality of GM he truly is. Looking for a goalie via import draft would probably be my number 1 priority if I were him, now that the deadline is over. Get kicking the tires on european goalies to see who might be interested in coming to North America next season.
This is exactly what I said would happen, MM would ticker and he did. But I don't think the real problem lies with him, even though I would like him gone. I just don't think our 99 born players are that good. Garreffa is gifted offensively, yes, but he's a defensive liability. Don't understand why he wants to play defense when he's -19. Yantsis has a good shot but hes not quick enough, etc. They should have been gone before McHuge, who I believe is a better overall player than either of them. This organization needs a George Burrnet type of GM. People may say I am negative more than positive, but he did some great things over in Guelph and he has strengthen their team at the deadline. Why would you hire an inexperience GM in the first place, you can avoid his first couple of years of personal maturity by getting someone like a George Burnett who will take you to your destination more quickly than a rookie GM.Just noticed adjustments to our roster on the league website. Garreffa is listed as a forward now and Connor Hall has been unceremoniously removed.
This is exactly what I said would happen, MM would ticker and he did. But I don't think the real problem lies with him, even though I would like him gone. I just don't think our 99 born players are that good. Garreffa is gifted offensively, yes, but he's a defensive liability. Don't understand why he wants to play defense when he's -19. Yantsis has a good shot but hes not quick enough, etc. They should have been gone before McHuge, who I believe is a better overall player than either of them. This organization needs a George Burrnet type of GM. People may say I am negative more than positive, but he did some great things over in Guelph and he has strengthen their team at the deadline. Why would you hire an inexperience GM in the first place, you can avoid his first couple of years of personal maturity by getting someone like a George Burnett who will take you to your destination more quickly than a rookie GM.
If Mckee isn't fired by the end of the season I would be surprised. Second, if the team doesn't show improvement over the rest of the season and into next season by Xmas, MM should be gone and that's being generous. I am a new fan from London having lived there. Kitchener has a great pedigree in hockey, you should honor it by not being satisfied with the present and dont hesitate to rebuild your coaching staff and management. Season ticket holders have a voting share in this organization, I say use it.
I mean, OS made a lot of good moves...but I doubt you or anyone else would be complimenting the Rangers if they gave up players of Suzuki and Durzi's calibre for that pittance. I wouldn't.I'm impressed with Attack management - parting with all those assets........and most of those players having been a big part of their team. Gutsy move. Like Windsor the year before, they took the hard medicine and in the process gave all the youngsters that extra icetime for the remainder of the season. This will pay dividends down the road. Even if the Rangers had a similar opportunity I doubt they would do it. They may part with a few, but like "found money" they wouldn't be able to resist spending some of it (that is, wasting some of it) right away......referring to the Paterson deal of course. Still waiting for the management of other teams to follow that blueprint