Kiss-of-death descriptors

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  1. RECsGuy*

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    What cliches make you think less of/worry about a prospect?

    "solid" (checking line/stay-at-home dman)

    "two-way" (not particularly great at anything)

    "competes" (checking line/stay-at-home dman)

    "or 2nd line" (or 3rd line)

    "hard worker" (checking line/stay-at-home dman)
     
  2. Big McLargehuge

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    Dan Bylsma just got turned on.
     
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    The two-way thing never means anything to me at least. It seems like every single prospect as well as every single Nhl player is described as a good two-way player. I mean one must have to really suck in one area or another to not once have this tag in their career. Ok, rant over (lol)
     
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    two way means one of two things for me. If it's my teams first pick in the draft it's a bit of a downer because it means they aren't necessarily going to be a top 3 (in the roster) player or have much flash. at the same time, two way often means they have a shot at being an NHLer at all so its good and bad. it works both ways, pun not intended
     
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    "boom or bust". maybe it's just me but i always think "third liner". As in it's someone you're going to draft really high, give them a decent year or two in the minors, then bring up and stick on your third line and wait for them to magically live up to their draft year rank.
     
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    None of those worry me. They're not giving these critiques to be nice to the player because they don't have very positive things to say.
     
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    "Two way" screams to me as "Limited offensive upside". Sorry, but when two-way play is the best you can say about a prospect, then there isn't much on the offense department.

    "Decent" : Nice word for "Suspect".

    "Crafty" : What the hell would that even mean? Is the player good at origami?

    "didn't look out of place on" : The ability of looking like he belongs in a league while not showing results for it?

    "raw ___" : Raw? So it means he doesn't have it and should be taught that? Looks like one of those times when a scout says "Imagine this guy with good hockey IQ" and then another writes "Raw offensive skills".

    And to a lesser extent, other terms that are impossible to measure but might actually exist in a prospect.
     
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    I like 'raw' personally. Seems to indicate good upside and room for development. Never entirely sure what it means, though.
     
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    Two I can do without: "Needs to work on his skating" or "needs to add muscle"

    It seems like every prospect in any draft has one or both said about them at some point. Extreme exceptions aside, who cares? These kids are still growing into and getting used to their bodies, so both are to be expected. Not to mention the power skating coach and the nutritionist that can always come later.
     
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    When I hear "boom or bust" I always think the exact opposite in that they can't play in your top 6 they wont last in the NHL since they don't have the things most teams look for in a 3rd or 4th liner (toughness, size, defensive ability etc.).
     
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    "questionable work ethic"

    If he doesn't work, Trotz won't deal with his crap. Benched/Traded/Scratched immedietly. Just from a Preds perspective
     
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    Exactly. I would never want to draft a player with "questionable work ethic"
     
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    thestonedkoala Everyone! PANIC!

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    Any time I see a prospect get described as "good at everything but great at nothing" I get a little worried. The first name that comes to mind when I picture that profile is Jeff Woywitka.
     
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    With the exception of raw, which is always a good thing, most cliches are subjective to the context of each individual player. The only thing I'm wary of are players described as good checking-line players. I can get those late in the draft, I don't want them in the first two rounds where talent is abound.
     
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    How about Steve Yzerman clone? You know you'll be getting a disappointing, softish, maybe injury prone, averagely productive at best center like Tim Connolly, Stephen Weiss, Jamie Lundmark, Brandon Convery, Kyle Turris.
     
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    "Needs to work on his decision making" or "Makes questionable decisions at times"

    Makes me run. But I value hockey IQ more than most
     
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    "Highly sought after by the Toronto Maple leafs"
     
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    "Missing a leg"

    "Suffers from minor brain damage"

    "NHL Comparison: Brett Lebda Lite"
     
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    NHL Comparison: Randy Jones (defenseman) Dan Cloutier (goalie) or Lauri Tukonen (forward)
     
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    Definitely questionable work ethic.
     
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    maybe used more when coming to trades but "low risk, high reward" just because I hate that phrase and think people who use it should be shot
     
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