Prospect Info: Kirill Kaprizov lll

[MuckOG]

Is there any similarties between kap and kovalev? I only got to see the twilight of his career but he was one of the best in his prime right? Considered one of if not the best shots in the league if I remember correctly?

My memory may be fuzzy, but I don't remember Kovalev bringing the same physical play that Kaprizov is showing us. I could be wrong.

 

[TaLoN]

Fiala...

Fiala doesn't have that kind of a shot.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Fiala doesn't have that kind of a shot.

He absolutely does.

 

[TaLoN]

He absolutely does.

He's got a very good shot, but not Gaborik good. Kap may come close, but I need to see more to be sure.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

Fiala doesn't have that kind of a shot.

I don’t think Fiala’s shot placement is as good as gaborik’s was, but his release and power is just as good. Either way, by “mitts” I thought he was referring to stick handeing ability, and nobody that’s ever worn a wild jersey has the ability to keep the puck on a string like Fiala can.

 

[TaLoN]

I don’t think Fiala’s shot placement is as good as gaborik’s was, but his release and power is just as good. Either way, by “mitts” I thought he was referring to stick handeing ability, and nobody that’s ever worn a wild jersey has the ability to keep the puck on a string like Fiala can.

I don't know about the release...Gaborik had possibly a top 2-3 wrist shot release all time...Sakic having the best, Semin being in the discussion as well.

It's not a shameful thing to say Fiala's isn't on that level.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I don't know about the release...Gaborik had possibly a top 2-3 wrist shot release all time...Sakic having the best, Semin being in the discussion as well.

It's not a shameful thing to say Fiala's isn't on that level.

No chance.

 

[AJ Thelen]

2 goals and 1 assist so far after 2. periods in todays game.

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[TaLoN]

No chance.

Absolutely he did.

 

[MuckOG]

Where would Kaprizov be selected in a 2015 re-draft? Here are the top 10 in NHL scoring from that draft....Does he sneak in here somewhere?

Round	Num.	Drafted By	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM	Last Season
1	1	Edmonton	Connor McDavid	C	Erie Otters [OHL]	342	158	295	453	116	2019-20
1	2	Buffalo	Jack Eichel	C	Boston University [H-East]	344	134	199	333	136	2019-20
1	4	Toronto	Mitch Marner	R	London Knights [OHL]	290	82	202	284	100	2019-20
2	35	Carolina	Sebastian Aho	C	Karpat [SM-liiga]	300	116	137	253	96	2019-20
1	10	Colorado	Mikko Rantanen	R	TPS Turku [SM-liiga]	280	99	150	249	126	2019-20
1	16	NY Islanders	Mathew Barzal	C	Seattle Thunderbirds [WHL]	223	58	137	195	116	2019-20
1	17	Winnipeg	Kyle Connor	L	Youngstown Phantoms [USHL]	238	96	92	188	68	2019-20
1	24	Philadelphia	Travis Konecny	R	Ottawa 67's [OHL]	289	78	94	172	163	2019-20
1	8	Columbus	Zach Werenski	D	U. of Michigan [Big-10]	290	56	107	163	58	2019-20
1	23	Vancouver	Brock Boeser	R	Waterloo Black Hawks [USHL]	196	75	86	161	52	2019-20

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[Dr Jan Itor]

Absolutely he did.

Do we have conflicting understandings of what "all-time" means?

 

[AKL]

Where would Kaprizov be selected in a 2015 re-draft? Here are the top 10 in NHL scoring from that draft....Does he sneak in here somewhere?

Round	Num.	Drafted By	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM	Last Season
1	1	Edmonton	Connor McDavid	C	Erie Otters [OHL]	342	158	295	453	116	2019-20
1	2	Buffalo	Jack Eichel	C	Boston University [H-East]	344	134	199	333	136	2019-20
1	4	Toronto	Mitch Marner	R	London Knights [OHL]	290	82	202	284	100	2019-20
2	35	Carolina	Sebastian Aho	C	Karpat [SM-liiga]	300	116	137	253	96	2019-20
1	10	Colorado	Mikko Rantanen	R	TPS Turku [SM-liiga]	280	99	150	249	126	2019-20
1	16	NY Islanders	Mathew Barzal	C	Seattle Thunderbirds [WHL]	223	58	137	195	116	2019-20
1	17	Winnipeg	Kyle Connor	L	Youngstown Phantoms [USHL]	238	96	92	188	68	2019-20
1	24	Philadelphia	Travis Konecny	R	Ottawa 67's [OHL]	289	78	94	172	163	2019-20
1	8	Columbus	Zach Werenski	D	U. of Michigan [Big-10]	290	56	107	163	58	2019-20
1	23	Vancouver	Brock Boeser	R	Waterloo Black Hawks [USHL]	196	75	86	161	52	2019-20

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Still don’t think he’s in there yet, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he passes Boeser, Werenski and Konecny sooner rather than later.

 

[TaLoN]

Do we have conflicting understandings of what "all-time" means?

Nope... all-time means in league history. Gaborik had one of the best wrist shots all-time. Not THE best, but he's in the conversation. At the time he played though, only Sakic was better... but Sakic likely has THE best all-time, so that's no shame on Gaborik either.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Where would Kaprizov be selected in a 2015 re-draft? Here are the top 10 in NHL scoring from that draft....Does he sneak in here somewhere?

Round	Num.	Drafted By	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM	Last Season
1	1	Edmonton	Connor McDavid	C	Erie Otters [OHL]	342	158	295	453	116	2019-20
1	2	Buffalo	Jack Eichel	C	Boston University [H-East]	344	134	199	333	136	2019-20
1	4	Toronto	Mitch Marner	R	London Knights [OHL]	290	82	202	284	100	2019-20
2	35	Carolina	Sebastian Aho	C	Karpat [SM-liiga]	300	116	137	253	96	2019-20
1	10	Colorado	Mikko Rantanen	R	TPS Turku [SM-liiga]	280	99	150	249	126	2019-20
1	16	NY Islanders	Mathew Barzal	C	Seattle Thunderbirds [WHL]	223	58	137	195	116	2019-20
1	17	Winnipeg	Kyle Connor	L	Youngstown Phantoms [USHL]	238	96	92	188	68	2019-20
1	24	Philadelphia	Travis Konecny	R	Ottawa 67's [OHL]	289	78	94	172	163	2019-20
1	8	Columbus	Zach Werenski	D	U. of Michigan [Big-10]	290	56	107	163	58	2019-20
1	23	Vancouver	Brock Boeser	R	Waterloo Black Hawks [USHL]	196	75	86	161	52	2019-20

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Probably in the mid-teens. You still have positional importance to consider with guys like Strome, Chabot and Provorov.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Nope... all-time means in league history. Gaborik had one of the best wrist shots all-time. Not THE best, but he's in the conversation. At the time he played though, only Sakic was better... but Sakic likely has THE best all-time, so that's no shame on Gaborik either.

No, but it's a hell of a shame on a guy like Ovechkin.

 

[TaLoN]

No, but it's a hell of a shame on a guy like Ovechkin.

Ovechkin probably has the greatest overall shot in history, that doesn't mean he has the best release or wrist shot in history.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Ovechkin probably has the greatest overall shot in history, that doesn't mean he has the best release or wrist shot in history.

It doesn't mean he does, but he does.

Hell, guys like Eichel, Kucherov and Kessel are probably ahead of Gaborik too.

 

[TaLoN]

It doesn't mean he does, but he does.

Hell, guys like Eichel, Kucherov and Kessel are probably ahead of Gaborik too.

Joe Sakic the best wrist shot in NHL history?

Most people in that thread disagree with you on OV. (This all comes down to personal opinion though)

Either way, Gaborik had one of the quickest, most powerful wrist shots I've ever seen. Fiala has a very good shot, but no... it's not Gaborik good.

 

[57special]

Bossy had a great wrist shot.

 

[TaLoN]

Bossy had a great wrist shot.

He absolutely did. Wonder what composite sticks would have done for the power on his shot. The flex/torque the best players get on their wrister have done wonders for them these days.

 

[MuckOG]

Federov also had a wicked wrister.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Gartner, Shutt, Lafleur, Kovalev......this is a near impossible debate after Sakic which most “experts” seem to agree had the best wrister. Sad that so long after the fact that Gabby is still the brightest star in the Wild sky. And easily.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Bossy had a great wrist shot.

F’ yeah, now we’re talkin. My alltime favorite player.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

I don't know about the release...Gaborik had possibly a top 2-3 wrist shot release all time...Sakic having the best, Semin being in the discussion as well.

It's not a shameful thing to say Fiala's isn't on that level.

I know. Gaborik’s snapper was incredible. Fiala’s is on that level too. Stick advancements have changed things a bit, though. These days sticks are made for the puck to be shot off the toe and the release points are Lower. Shots have gotten much quicker. I’d need to see a prime Gaborik with a new stick to really judge, but Matthews has the best release I have ever seen. If Sakic played now, I’m sure he’d be right there too.

 

[TaLoN]

I know. Gaborik’s snapper was incredible. Fiala’s is on that level too. Stick advancements have changed things a bit, though. These days sticks are made for the puck to be shot off the toe and the release points are Lower. Shots have gotten much quicker. I’d need to see a prime Gaborik with a new stick to really judge, but Matthews has the best release I have ever seen. If Sakic played now, I’m sure he’d be right there too.

I've seen prime Gaborik, I've seen Fiala...I just don't see it with Fiala at that level is all.

The stick Gaborik used isn't that different than sticks today... it was only 10 years ago or so. It's not like the stick Gaborik used vs the stick Bossy used. Huge difference between Gaborik's composite vs Bossy's wood. Both Gaborik and Fiala use similar composites.

Sakic imo was the best, but Gaborik wasn't far behind him. I just don't see Fiala quite in that realm.