Prospect Info: Kirill Kaprizov II: (LW) - CSKA Moscow - 135th Overall, 2015

[gphr513]

Part I

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[gphr513]

Any chance he comes to development camp?

I'd really like to see him at development camp, just to get him over here, show him around, get him familiar, just to get a taste of the NHL lifestyle.

 

[Victorious Secret]

Would certainly be nice to get him to meet Sokolov and any other Russian we can round up.

 

[Saga of the Elk]

After Moscow is eliminated from the Playoffs, would be the absolute earliest (I think). STL had a Russian come over for the Playoffs last year.

Sobotka's Czech but I'm not sure the situation plays out the same. He was an RFA who declined an arbitrator's deal and signed in the KHL. Once his contract was up there he signed with St. Louis again - as an RFA who would have been subject to the arbitrator's award.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hock...cle_00352b61-90d9-58f0-bed0-0692674fd68e.html

I don't see why Kaprizov couldn't sign once his season is over and adding him in April could be an amazing coup, just not sure it's that simple.

 

[Wabit]

Sobotka's Czech but I'm not sure the situation plays out the same. He was an RFA who declined an arbitrator's deal and signed in the KHL. Once his contract was up there he signed with St. Louis again - as an RFA who would have been subject to the arbitrator's award.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hock...cle_00352b61-90d9-58f0-bed0-0692674fd68e.html

I don't see why Kaprizov couldn't sign once his season is over and adding him in April could be an amazing coup, just not sure it's that simple.

Yea, I don't know the ins and outs of the KHL contracts. Not that it really matters, it's supposed to get an overhaul within the next calendar year: less teams, different salary cap, etc.

RE for the dev camp:
Wasn't there something written awhile ago saying Moscow wouldn't allow him to come over for it?

 

[57special]

Yeah, I think the KHL training camp dates conflict with the development camp. Don't blame them for wanting their player to show up for camp.

 

[Wabit]

Yeah, I think the KHL training camp dates conflict with the development camp. Don't blame them for wanting their player to show up for camp.

Or taking the chance their shiny new toy might get injured in a meaningless (for them) camp. We had the same concerns with the Wild players in the WCH last year.

 

[gphr513]

Yea, I don't know the ins and outs of the KHL contracts. Not that it really matters, it's supposed to get an overhaul within the next calendar year: less teams, different salary cap, etc.

RE for the dev camp:
Wasn't there something written awhile ago saying Moscow wouldn't allow him to come over for it?

Seems like the Russian teams never let their players do anything.

 

[Wabit]

Seems like the Russian teams never let their players do anything.

Except play in the Olympics.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Sobotka's Czech but I'm not sure the situation plays out the same. He was an RFA who declined an arbitrator's deal and signed in the KHL. Once his contract was up there he signed with St. Louis again - as an RFA who would have been subject to the arbitrator's award.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hock...cle_00352b61-90d9-58f0-bed0-0692674fd68e.html

I don't see why Kaprizov couldn't sign once his season is over and adding him in April could be an amazing coup, just not sure it's that simple.

I'd be the same process as Sobotka, except that the terms of Sobotka's contract were already laid out due to the Arbitration hearing he lost after signing in the KHL. But given ELC restrictions, there isn't all that much to haggle over. Fletcher would give him a max ELC + max bonuses, because if he hits the bonuses he's worth.

Kaprsiov is on our reserve list, just like Sobotka was for St. Louis. As long as the KHL team releases them, they can come over.

 

[Oilers]

Where does kaprisov stack up against this years crop of prospects just drafted?
Would kaprisov having entered this draft been a top 5 pick?

 

[Wabit]

Where does kaprisov stack up against this years crop of prospects just drafted?
Would kaprisov having entered this draft been a top 5 pick?

Top-10 for sure. Hard to say with the draft where some of the players go. He's a wing, not a center or d-man, so that might make him go lower than he should.

 

[DANOZ28]

Where does kaprisov stack up against this years crop of prospects just drafted?
Would kaprisov having entered this draft been a top 5 pick?

it all depends on how much weight you give the 19yr old khl record playing against men. im baised so i'd say top 5. hes no mcdavid but i believe he has tarasenko potential. whats that worth? you decide. granlund had great euro #s but took several years to turn into a very good player.

 

[StateofCelly]

https://twitter.com/A_Kalnins/status/883248296151724032

"Expect CSKA to announce extension of Kirill Kaprizov to a 3 year term, as well as Grigorenko, another 3 year deal for the team" @A_Kalnins

Not sure if I put that in here correctly... But this isn't what I wanted to wake up to, the other 2 signings the guy listed have been verified so this makes me nervous and maybe brings light to why he was possibly offered to Vegas. Want to see him in a Wild sweater so bad.

That being said until Russo or someone else confirms it, I will hold my reservations.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Not worried, even if it happens.

 

[DANOZ28]

if they force him to sign he always has the option of defecting.

 

[ThatGuy22]

if they force him to sign he always has the option of defecting.

No he doesn't. NHL/KHL respect each other's contracts now. If he signs, he's there's until his contract is up or he buys it out.

 

[keppel146]

Not worried, even if it happens.

but we want him as a 21 year old, not a 22/23 yo

 

[DANOZ28]

No he doesn't. NHL/KHL respect each other's contracts now. If he signs, he's there's until his contract is up or he buys it out.

are you saying if he was forced with basically a gun to his head to sign , then wanted to come here the nhl would refuse to help?

 

[Bazeek]

are you saying if he was forced with basically a gun to his head to sign , then wanted to come here the nhl would refuse to help?

How would a KHL team (realistically) coerce him into signing against his will? The chances of the KHL putting a figurative or literal gun to his head are as likely as the NHL putting one to the head of a Canadian/American player that's thinking of running over to Europe to make bank.

 

[ThatGuy22]

are you saying if he was forced with basically a gun to his head to sign , then wanted to come here the nhl would refuse to help?

Yes, in that extremely un-realistic scenario, there would be jack the NHL could do. They have an agreement to respect eachother's contracts. Unless Kirill could get the contract thrown out in Russian court, the NHL isn't a legal entity that could void it without breaking the agreement with Russia. Which opens a can of worms the NHL doesn't want.

The NHL would not allow that contract.

 

[ThatGuy22]

These quotes were posted in the main board thread.

- What about future? One season you will spend in CSKA. And then what is the KHL or NHL?
- I do not know yet. I'll wait with this decision.

- It's just that CSKA does not hide that it is negotiating with you about the contract for another three years.
- I know. But I still have time to think about this proposal.

So, CSKA is just negotiating through the media again. Kirill hasn't made his decision.

 

[MuckOG]

How would a KHL team (realistically) coerce him into signing against his will? The chances of the KHL putting a figurative or literal gun to his head are as likely as the NHL putting one to the head of a Canadian/American player that's thinking of running over to Europe to make bank.

Not saying that this is the case with Kaprizov, but it's no secret that the Russian mob has ties to the KHL. In fact, the Russian mob has been even known to extort Russian players in the NHL. Alexander Mogilny and Alexei Zhitnik are just two examples of this happening. Mogilny even had to go to the FBI for protection.

 

[Bazeek]

Not saying that this is the case with Kaprizov, but it's no secret that the Russian mob has ties to the KHL. In fact, the Russian mob has been even known to extort Russian players in the NHL. Alexander Mogilny and Alexei Zhitnik are just two examples of this happening. Mogilny even had to go to the FBI for protection.

Yikes.

 

[Spurgeon]

Wonder why Russo hasn't acknowledged anything yet?