Rumor: KINGS 2018-19 Season - The Luc and Rob ****show Part 2

[KopitarFAN]

• We took a deep dive on the likely timing of a Jonathan Quick trade here. Let’s add a brief update to this. If the Florida Panthers can somehow pull off a trade with Columbus for goalie Sergei Bobrovsky, don’t be surprised to see the Blue Jackets announce a deal for Quick soon thereafter. From what we understand, preliminary discussions have taken place and the interest is there. There’s a lot of ifs tied to this scenario; however, it makes good sense on many levels. CBJ GM Jarmo Kekalainen has to be coming to grips with the fact he will likely lose his top two free agents this summer. Trading them now could hamper their playoff aspirations. Yet, adding Quick would give them cost certainty in net for a few years and provide a solid mentor for young Joonas Korpisalo. For us, the most curious part of the deal would be if Blake could get a first rounder next season. The Kings already have two this year. Having another pair next year could be better than having three this year.

10 Tidbits: Updated Notes on Upcoming LA Kings Trade Scenarios

This would make a good bit of sense, though I don't necessarily agree with CBJ trading their 2020 1st rounder (see Senators, Ottawa) I would think they would be more willing to trade their 2019 1st.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Glad to read Kyle Clifford won't be moved. He's the glue that keeps this diarrhea excrement of a team together.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I question Pierre LeBrun’s senses here. Here’s a blurb today from The Athletic concerning the Kings:

"Now that Jake Muzzin has been moved, my sense is that the Los Angeles Kings will likely hold onto to Alec Martinez.

He’s signed for two more years after this season at a reasonable $4-million cap hit. Yes, the Kings are rebuilding/re-tooling but I think GM Rob Blake feels Martinez is important to keep on board through that.

So really now it’s about a pair of pending UFAs for the Kings in terms of moving out Carl Hagelin and Nate Thompson before the deadline."

 

[LAKings88]

• We took a deep dive on the likely timing of a Jonathan Quick trade here. Let’s add a brief update to this. If the Florida Panthers can somehow pull off a trade with Columbus for goalie Sergei Bobrovsky, don’t be surprised to see the Blue Jackets announce a deal for Quick soon thereafter. From what we understand, preliminary discussions have taken place and the interest is there. There’s a lot of ifs tied to this scenario; however, it makes good sense on many levels. CBJ GM Jarmo Kekalainen has to be coming to grips with the fact he will likely lose his top two free agents this summer. Trading them now could hamper their playoff aspirations. Yet, adding Quick would give them cost certainty in net for a few years and provide a solid mentor for young Joonas Korpisalo. For us, the most curious part of the deal would be if Blake could get a first rounder next season. The Kings already have two this year. Having another pair next year could be better than having three this year.

10 Tidbits: Updated Notes on Upcoming LA Kings Trade Scenarios

This would make a good bit of sense, though I don't necessarily agree with CBJ trading their 2020 1st rounder (see Senators, Ottawa) I would think they would be more willing to trade their 2019 1st.

Quick to CBus is a best case scenario.

Especially if they get a first.

 

[KingsHockey24]

I question Pierre LeBrun’s senses here. Here’s a blurb today from The Athletic concerning the Kings:

"Now that Jake Muzzin has been moved, my sense is that the Los Angeles Kings will likely hold onto to Alec Martinez.

He’s signed for two more years after this season at a reasonable $4-million cap hit. Yes, the Kings are rebuilding/re-tooling but I think GM Rob Blake feels Martinez is important to keep on board through that.

So really now it’s about a pair of pending UFAs for the Kings in terms of moving out Carl Hagelin and Nate Thompson before the deadline."

We'd be lucky to get a 4th rounder out of Hagelin and Thompson.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

We'd be lucky to get a 4th rounder out of Hagelin and Thompson.

This is quite the rebuild. Luc must still think of these guys as contenders. Gotta keep this highly successful core intact.

 

[tomd]

• We took a deep dive on the likely timing of a Jonathan Quick trade here. Let’s add a brief update to this. If the Florida Panthers can somehow pull off a trade with Columbus for goalie Sergei Bobrovsky, don’t be surprised to see the Blue Jackets announce a deal for Quick soon thereafter. From what we understand, preliminary discussions have taken place and the interest is there. There’s a lot of ifs tied to this scenario; however, it makes good sense on many levels. CBJ GM Jarmo Kekalainen has to be coming to grips with the fact he will likely lose his top two free agents this summer. Trading them now could hamper their playoff aspirations. Yet, adding Quick would give them cost certainty in net for a few years and provide a solid mentor for young Joonas Korpisalo. For us, the most curious part of the deal would be if Blake could get a first rounder next season. The Kings already have two this year. Having another pair next year could be better than having three this year.

10 Tidbits: Updated Notes on Upcoming LA Kings Trade Scenarios

This would make a good bit of sense, though I don't necessarily agree with CBJ trading their 2020 1st rounder (see Senators, Ottawa) I would think they would be more willing to trade their 2019 1st.

From the article..."However, the key in any deal is ensuring they get back in return what they need to re-tool quickly."

If "quickly" is 1-2 years then that sounds like players coming back...mid to low 1st round picks are not "quick" fixes. Most won't be ready to fully contribute for 3-4 years if ever.

 

[Butch 19]

I imagine Colorado's 1st would be lottery protected should they trade it.

what does "lottery protected" mean?

What would they be trading?

 

[SettlementRichie10]

What’s Phaneuf’s buyout cap hit look like?

 

[Bandit]

what does "lottery protected" mean?

What would they be trading?

It means the pick would defer to the following year if it was pick number X or higher, with X being agreed upon beforehand.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

What’s Phaneuf’s buyout cap hit look like?

Dion Phaneuf Contract Buyout Details - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

In a buyout situation, the Kings would save $4,083,333 in year one, $1,583,333 in year two, and be tacked on with a buyout cap hit of $1,416,667 in years three and four.

The two years remaining on Phaneuf's contract is spread out to four years as a result of a buyout. The big saving comes next season, with a small bit of savings in the second year, but they'll face a cap hit in later years, though it won't be an astronomical amount.

 

[BigKing]

From the article..."However, the key in any deal is ensuring they get back in return what they need to re-tool quickly."

If "quickly" is 1-2 years then that sounds like players coming back...mid to low 1st round picks are not "quick" fixes. Most won't be ready to fully contribute for 3-4 years if ever.

Only way a "retool" works "quickly" is if they nab a Top 2 pick this year and that player has an immediate, substantial impact.

As you mentioned prior to the Muzzin trade, the Kings have nobody to replace him now or next season. Have to imagine they will be bad next year as well.

Guess it comes down to what "quickly" means. For me, that can easily mean three years as opposed to a five-year plan and the ask for Quick could be a prospect and the 1st. Prospect would be someone they see contributing as soon as next season but in 2021, at minimum.

Get Hughes. Hope that one of the current forward prospects is actually Top 6 material by 2021. Get Vilardi a back transplant. Hope that any of the current D prospects is at least a #4. Should have cap space/flexibility to make moves in 2021, if warranted.

 

[YP44]

Dion Phaneuf Contract Buyout Details - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

In a buyout situation, the Kings would save $4,083,333 in year one, $1,583,333 in year two, and be tacked on with a buyout cap hit of $1,416,667 in years three and four.

The two years remaining on Phaneuf's contract is spread out to four years as a result of a buyout. The big saving comes next season, with a small bit of savings in the second year, but they'll face a cap hit in later years, though it won't be an astronomical amount.

As much as I do not like him they should not buy him out till after next year.

 

[crassbonanza]

Dion Phaneuf Contract Buyout Details - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

In a buyout situation, the Kings would save $4,083,333 in year one, $1,583,333 in year two, and be tacked on with a buyout cap hit of $1,416,667 in years three and four.

The two years remaining on Phaneuf's contract is spread out to four years as a result of a buyout. The big saving comes next season, with a small bit of savings in the second year, but they'll face a cap hit in later years, though it won't be an astronomical amount.

Would any of that cap apply to the Senators if there were a buyout? It appears that the buyout calculation was based on his cap hit of 7, but the Senators are retaining 1.75 of his cap. So, I wonder if the full buyout penalty would hit the Kings or not.

 

[BigKing]

Dion is important to the tank for next season as well.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Would any of that cap apply to the Senators if there were a buyout? It appears that the buyout calculation was based on his cap hit of 7, but the Senators are retaining 1.75 of his cap. So, I wonder if the full buyout penalty would hit the Kings or not.

According to the buyout calculator info:

This contract was involved in a retained salary transaction. The resulting costs and cap hit are therefore split between each team based on the percentage of salary retained by the respective teams.

• Ottawa Senators: 25%

 

[crassbonanza]

According to the buyout calculator info:

This contract was involved in a retained salary transaction. The resulting costs and cap hit are therefore split between each team based on the percentage of salary retained by the respective teams.

• Ottawa Senators: 25%

Thanks, guess I looked right over that section. So it seems like the Kings would be look at cap hits of 2.17, 4.05, 1.05 and 1.05. To be honest that is not all that bad, not worth it because the team is likely not competing, but it wouldn't be crippling.

 

[deaderhead28]

John Hoven

10 Tidbits: Updated Notes on Upcoming LA Kings Trade Scenarios

"Tyler Toffoli is safe for now. After previously exploring moving him earlier this season, the latest round of intel we’ve gathered suggests the Kings are now planning to keep the 26-year-old forward… for at least another year. In short, combined with his low trade value and their desire to see what he’ll do under a new coach next season, Toffoli will most likely stay in a Kings uniform. He’ll be on a short leash, no doubt."

 

[YP44]

John Hoven

10 Tidbits: Updated Notes on Upcoming LA Kings Trade Scenarios

Toffoli is safe for now.

there are a lot of wingers available at this year's deadline so TT price is pretty low.

 

[lumbergh]

John Hoven

10 Tidbits: Updated Notes on Upcoming LA Kings Trade Scenarios

Toffoli is safe for now.

One tidbit I don't understand is why the Kings stay wed to Derek Forbort. He's not great at much of anything, so he's not the kind of player you rebuild/retool around. The worst part is that his passes regularly torpedo the Kings' attack. If you can get an asset for a borderline bottom pairing player, why wouldn't you? You could have any number of players play next to Doughty and look good.

What is the value for Derek Forbort? Could he reel in a 2nd round pick?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

 

[King'sPawn]

I don't care if it looks or quacks like one, don't call it a duck!

 

[damacles1156]

One tidbit I don't understand is why the Kings stay wed to Derek Forbort. He's not great at much of anything, so he's not the kind of player you rebuild/retool around. The worst part is that his passes regularly torpedo the Kings' attack. If you can get an asset for a borderline bottom pairing player, why wouldn't you? You could have any number of players play next to Doughty and look good.

What is the value for Derek Forbort? Could he reel in a 2nd round pick?

If Forbort is that bad, why would any team give a 2nd round pick for him ?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

In the Athletic article, Blake mentions that the organization is lacking in high-end forwards, and it isn't easy finding them in trades.

It also isn't easy finding them at the draft when your organization has continuously overlooked talent for a number of years.