Killing Time Thread: Movies, Music, etc. Anything SFW That Kills Time Part 3

Bryanbryoil

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Of course.....but if that guy cant see that some people may feel more aligned with "a made up community" than with the status quo which has brought on the current....measurable inequalities.....than he has his head......quite far....up his ass.

Fair enough.
 

BoldNewLettuce

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Of course.....but if that guy cant see that some people may feel more aligned with "a made up community" than with the status quo which has brought on the current....measurable inequalities.....than he has his head......quite far....up his ass.


He is actually doing exactly what he is complaining about.
 

BoldNewLettuce

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Fair enough.

Really though. he is pretty angry when he talks about lgbtq. And in the same vein of him saying anyone with argument is using it to overthrow capitalism......he is doing the same thing to counter their opposition.

He really only suggest that equality is unattainable because ....I guess women dont like gays or trans. And he justs says "as I've already mentioned" he offers no evidence of that.

It's really f***ing dumb. I agree with some of his sentiment....and I see how it can come across as enlightening I guess....but its not. Its just a wet blanket.

If you want to argue against interest groups you'd need to include the NRA, the vetarans, unions.....church groups....etc....etc.
 
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Bryanbryoil

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Really though. he is pretty angry when he talks about lgbtq. And in the same vein of him saying anyone with argument is using it to overthrow capitalism......he is doing the same thing to counter their opposition.

He really only suggest that equality is unattainable because ....I guess women dont like gays or trans. And he justs says "as I've already mentioned" he offers no evidence of that.

It's really f***ing dumb. I agree with some of his sentiment....and I see how it can come across as enlightening I guess....but its not. Its just a wet blanket.

If you want to argue against interest groups you'd need to include the NRA, the vetarans, unions.....church groups....etc....etc.

I think what he was saying is that when you say the _____ community that that "community" is entirely diverse in terms of their thoughts, economic position, etc. ie. you can't say that the 30-40 year old white male community all share the same ideas, thoughts, etc. Ultimately there will be diversity in many things among groups. I think that it is human nature for people to both gravitate to and away from people that share similar life experiences. Ultimately what I took out of it is that we are all individuals and that the second that we are divided we bitch, bicker and fight among ourselves while those that are ahead in life stay there and laugh at the rest of us.
 

Drivesaitl

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Of course.....but if that guy cant see that some people may feel more aligned with "a made up community" than with the status quo which has brought on the current....measurable inequalities.....than he has his head......quite far....up his ass.

Wait, rich take. People feel more aligned with arnarchy that will result in chaos, disaster, poverty, collapse of economy and cities. Well, you may be right that a large faction are deluded enough to be behind something like that but anybody wishing for anarchy to replace what is still relative freedom is a dangerous fool.
 
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Drivesaitl

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I think what he was saying is that when you say the _____ community that that "community" is entirely diverse in terms of their thoughts, economic position, etc. ie. you can't say that the 30-40 year old white male community all share the same ideas, thoughts, etc. Ultimately there will be diversity in many things among groups. I think that it is human nature for people to both gravitate to and away from people that share similar life experiences. Ultimately what I took out of it is that we are all individuals and that the second that we are divided we bitch, bicker and fight among ourselves while those that are ahead in life stay there and laugh at the rest of us.

He was outlining how identity politics is the nonstop division of factions for the purpose of creating incitement, discord, chaos, strife, for the purpose of radical change and a new order. Assuming there would be any order after it, because the stated goal is to "bring it all down", make the system untenable, make it collapse. This is the goal of the radical anarchists, always. Divide and conquer, we all fall.

No happy endings on that one and the vast overwhelming majorities of political overthrows result in worst tyranny than what preceded it. Anarchy is not a path to better, to Valhalla. Those not understanding that know nothing about the history of national and societal collapse and what that often ends up in.

Finally even if somehow, miraculously the overthrow of authority is successful and improves anything, that the movement is undeniably Marxist will of course wreak havoc with the markets, that are already heavily challenged. So that adding toppling of nations and toppling of Capitalism, and history, on top of the pandemic is likely to bring wide spread poverty, chaos, even starvation. In the name of lives mattering..
 

BoldNewLettuce

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Wait, rich take. People feel more aligned with arnarchy that will result in chaos, disaster, poverty, collapse of economy and cities. Well, you may be right that a large faction are deluded enough to be behind something like that but anybody wishing for anarchy to replace what is still relative freedom is a dangerous fool.

Interest groups have become a huge part of political life.

Its not just minority groups. That was some of my point.
 

Drivesaitl

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Its so odd that we've had thousands of years of history and we still don't know anything about what the history of the world has shown us. 2400 years ago all this was already a known, and recorded. Been studied ever since, but apparently not lately;

Plato's five regimes - Wikipedia

Maybe we need to go back and read the basics. This is really the root of political understanding.

For the record Timocracy would probably closely match Communism/Socialism. Platos republic foresaw Russian revolutions, french revolutions, it knew every thing that could go on in world or regional or national order and what those cards falling down always were. Because it established, correctly what the probable systems all were.

The goal of any society even approximating free, or democratic, even oligarchic should be to hold onto it for all your might. Not to toss it in the pile and take one of the other cards, especially if the card left in hand is Anarchy. Because you're almost guaranteed to pull tyranny as the next card.
 

Drivesaitl

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Interest groups have become a huge part of political life.

Its not just minority groups. That was some of my point.

Theres an incredible difference between interest groups in either a Democracy or Oligarchy being influential, and influencing govts vs Identity politics based radical factions shutting order down entirely, taking control, and having lists of DEMANDS.


The expressed goal of anarchism is inherently dangerous, and this seems not well enough understood in present day

ps as Aristotle foretold 2400 yrs ago Tyranny follows democracy. Almost always.

The tyrannical man is the son of the democratic man. He is the worst form of man due to his being the most unjust and thus the furthest removed from any joy of the true kind. He is consumed by lawless desires which cause him to do many terrible things such as murdering and plundering. He comes closest to complete lawlessness

Sound similar?
 
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BoldNewLettuce

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Theres an incredible difference between interest groups in either a Democracy or Oligarchy being influential, and influencing govts vs Identity politics based radical factions shutting order down entirely, taking control, and having lists of DEMANDS.


The expressed goal of anarchism is inherently dangerous, and this seems not well enough understood in present day

ps as Aristotle foretold 2400 yrs ago Tyranny follows democracy. Almost always.

The tyrannical man is the son of the democratic man. He is the worst form of man due to his being the most unjust and thus the furthest removed from any joy of the true kind. He is consumed by lawless desires which cause him to do many terrible things such as murdering and plundering. He comes closest to complete lawlessness

Sound similar?

I dont understand why we are talking about anarchy? isnt that hyperbole?

fascism?
 

Drivesaitl

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i just thought people were protesting because they dont like whats happening.

Anybody that goes to a protest should have some idea, some clue, what they are actually involved with. Unfortunately, increasingly, people that show up don't have a full understanding. Perhaps they should.

Next, whats the likelihood that any given "peaceful protest" (we keep hearing that) is actually a fractious riot including mayhem, looting, crime, assaults etc. Even if people attending are somehow unaware of the mobilizing factions involved, that are anarchic, and admit to it, one would think they would at some point realize they are involved with mob activities that are right out of hand.
 

LaGu

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Hey a politics thread!

It's so odd to watch NA politics nowadays. I mean it was always kind of a reality show (since the first Iraq war for me), but now 100 times worse. Apart from strange things like two presidential candidates condemning the violence going on, while both claim it is the fault of the other guy... How can US current be at odds with the EU? China, I get it. Iran, no worries. EU, why?

This blows my mind. Merkel is a Christian Democrat (right wing party) and ruling a right/center-coalition. How is she and Germany the enemy here, because this is what we keep hearing over here? The US basically threatened to sanction Germany as they do Iran and North Korea... What the f*** is going on?

For the last 50-60 years we've been friends and allies, right?
 

BoldNewLettuce

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Anybody that goes to a protest should have some idea, some clue, what they are actually involved with. Unfortunately, increasingly, people that show up don't have a full understanding. Perhaps they should.

Next, whats the likelihood that any given "peaceful protest" (we keep hearing that) is actually a fractious riot including mayhem, looting, crime, assaults etc. Even if people attending are somehow unaware of the mobilizing factions involved, that are anarchic, and admit to it, one would think they would at some point realize they are involved with mob activities that are right out of hand.

Seems some people prefer that to doing nothing though? Is it their fault thing have gotten to this point?

There are militant groups on both sides of the protest, no?
 

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