KHL Trades, Rumors and Free Agent Talk Part 6

Discussion in 'The KHL' started by stv11, Jul 7, 2018.

  1. Exarz Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2014
    Messages:
    2,168
    Likes Received:
    99
    Trophy Points:
    87
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    Helsinki
    I guess the difference is bigger than you think. Markus Ljungh has a monthly salary of 300,000 SEK (about 28,500 €) plus bonuses in Linköping and his salary is in the top charts. In addition to this, taxes take up about half the salary, so the net income is the biggest reason players go to Switzerland or the KHL.
     
    Rigafan and Barclay Donaldson like this.
  2. SoundAndFury Registered User

    Joined:
    May 28, 2012
    Messages:
    6,753
    Likes Received:
    1,738
    Trophy Points:
    136
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    There was a chart of SHL salary budgets posted and most teams, even rich ones, linger around 3,5 million euros. Considering KHL salary cap was set at 11 millions, most KHL teams can probably offer higher salaries than the SHL clubs if they want to.
     
  3. vorky @vorkywh24

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2010
    Messages:
    9,758
    Likes Received:
    375
    Trophy Points:
    124
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    So say it is around 300,000 € a season in the SHL. It is an equivalent of ₽20-25 mil, it is a Kartaev type of player in the KHL in the new salary cap era. I would say the KHL´s 2nd line is around ₽40 mil + bonuses, the top line is above ₽60 mil + bonuses, some elite players around ₽90 mil + bonuses.
     
  4. vorky @vorkywh24

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2010
    Messages:
    9,758
    Likes Received:
    375
    Trophy Points:
    124
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Of course, I can not confirm the SHL salary budgets, but I will believe you. I would just correct your KHL data. The KHL salary cap ceiling is set at ₽900 million, so around €11-12 million right now, for basic salaries. But there are also individual & team bonuses. If the player has a bonus equivalent of max 20% basic salary, the bonus is not counted towards the 900 million. The same with club´s bonuses. So, by adding 2x ₽180 million, the real salary cap ceiling/budget is ₽1,26 billion or €16 million. Plus unlimited bonuses for making conference final.

    But I get your point... so the salary floor is ₽270 million for basic salaries, so €3-4 million. The floor will grow season to season, by 2023-24 it will be ₽450 million (around €5-6 million) for basic salaries. Of course, there are bonuses too.

    Guessing the Swiss NL is the 2nd European league in salaries ranking. They consider the salary cap too, likely a soft one. According to the media, the early rumours are that the ceiling should be CHF 7 million /€6,6 million (plus luxury tax) & the floor around CHF 5 million /€4,7 million.

    As @Exarz said, the taxes are very important too.
     
  5. DangeRouss Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2014
    Messages:
    524
    Likes Received:
    74
    Trophy Points:
    51
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Location:
    Bordeaux, Fra
    My bad, i'm so tired I quoted a past press conf...

    and it's Kazan who's a serious Cup contender (Am I right ? lol)

    He also said to French media He should have been signed by the Oilers in 2017 before being injured.

    Past weeks teams from Moskow tried to sign him before Kazan gives him a call
     
    vorky likes this.
  6. SoundAndFury Registered User

    Joined:
    May 28, 2012
    Messages:
    6,753
    Likes Received:
    1,738
    Trophy Points:
    136
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
  7. Jussi Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2002
    Messages:
    74,991
    Likes Received:
    4,931
    Trophy Points:
    231
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    0800-STUFF-JUST-HAPPENS
    On the other hand, SHL teams make more than a million more from tv rights.
     
  8. GeorgeLeafer12 YES THAT IS MY REAL FACE

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2014
    Messages:
    8,833
    Likes Received:
    3,681
    Trophy Points:
    126
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Entrepreneur
    Location:
    Suomi/Finland
    Everyone is leaving SKA... they are signing new players thou, but so far...
    not star quality players. Well...the only one might be Linden Vey.
     
  9. SoundAndFury Registered User

    Joined:
    May 28, 2012
    Messages:
    6,753
    Likes Received:
    1,738
    Trophy Points:
    136
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Well that's what happens when you used to spend what is now 2x more than the cap. Also I'd say Antipin is a star-quality player.
     
    Last edited: May 20, 2020
  10. aonb Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2013
    Messages:
    1,212
    Likes Received:
    231
    Trophy Points:
    81
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Libor Hudacek sign with Nizhnekamsk. I like this guy. He's much better player now than he was with Slovan 5-6 years ago.
     
  11. alko Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2004
    Messages:
    6,834
    Likes Received:
    1,240
    Trophy Points:
    184
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Location:
    Slovakia
    Home Page:
    But also it is sad, he somehow threw his talent away. There was talk (5-6 years ago), if he really want and if he will really hard work, he could be a NHL player.
     
  12. SoundAndFury Registered User

    Joined:
    May 28, 2012
    Messages:
    6,753
    Likes Received:
    1,738
    Trophy Points:
    136
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    If only it was that simple. 175 cm player without spectacular offensive talent making it in the NHL? I don't think so. And he will make a bunch of money playing in the KHL. All he did was not waste his time in the AHL which is the opposite of sad.
     
  13. rohky Registered User

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2019
    Messages:
    142
    Likes Received:
    28
    Trophy Points:
    21
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    freelance
    Location:
    Reading
    Sounds crazy but according to Match TV Kirill Kaprizov and Ilya Sorokin could, theoretically, play for CSKA in the next season as Russians may not be allowed to play in the NHL in the 2019/20 season, and the start date of the next league season remains unknown.
     
  14. Atas2000 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2011
    Messages:
    11,010
    Likes Received:
    1,425
    Trophy Points:
    139
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    For now it's all rumours, but rumour has it the NHL wants to start the next season in 2021. As a player who trained and prepared under those unreal conditions now if I have a choice to play in September or January, which option do I choose? Hmmm...
     
  15. Exarz Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2014
    Messages:
    2,168
    Likes Received:
    99
    Trophy Points:
    87
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    Helsinki
    Rather curious how they will fit both Sorokin and Kaprizov under the new cap hit, or do they have have that much cap space available?
     
  16. vorky @vorkywh24

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2010
    Messages:
    9,758
    Likes Received:
    375
    Trophy Points:
    124
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    No, they do not have, but there will be more roster moves/transfers along with all off-season and not just CSKA. According to the Russian insiders, they have 17 players in the list & basic salaries at ₽899 million. But Sekač (₽60 million) should be moved. I have not noticed the rumours about other players, just that Traktor is interested in Kalinin (₽85 million)
     
    Exarz likes this.
  17. SoundAndFury Registered User

    Joined:
    May 28, 2012
    Messages:
    6,753
    Likes Received:
    1,738
    Trophy Points:
    136
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Hours before rohky posted CSKA GM debunked it and said there aren't even any talks between them and Kaprizov or Sorokin.
     
    Barclay Donaldson and Exarz like this.
  18. DudeWhereIsMakar Bergevin sent me an offer sheet

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2014
    Messages:
    10,765
    Likes Received:
    2,550
    Trophy Points:
    162
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Winnipeg
    delete
     
    Last edited: May 27, 2020
  19. SoundAndFury Registered User

    Joined:
    May 28, 2012
    Messages:
    6,753
    Likes Received:
    1,738
    Trophy Points:
    136
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Holy shit, the saga continues. So, even being the local lad, Plotnikov didn't want to play for Amur so they flipped him to Magnitka for rights to Denis Smirnov (Colorado's 6th round pick currently in NCAA), Yegor Zamula (signed by the Flyers), Yegor Spiridonov (Sharks' 4th rounder), Saveli Olshansky and Vladimir Butuzov (Admiral's top-6 forward in recent memory). If you asked me Amur just made it out like bandits. 4 (!) high-end prospects and a top-6 forward for aging Plotnikov, that's a good deal. Oh, and they got some money, too.

    Naturally, guys like Zamula are never going to play in Khabarovsk either so they flipped him and Spiridonov to SKA immediately for Karpov and Kablukov, 2 more of SKA's cap dumps.

    So, in the end, this is by far the most interesting trade chain in the history of the KHL, thank you salary cap. As it stands now:

    To Amur: Karpov, Kablukov, Butuzov, Olshansky, rights to Denis Smirnov and some money.
    To SKA: Rudenkov, Spiridonov, rights to Zamula.
    To Magnitka: Plotnikov.

    With information at hand, I'd say Amur did great, they turned 1 roster player into 4. SKA did ok under the circumstances, they shed salary and got good young pieces back. Magnitka, to me, was just taken for a ride.
     
    TommySalo likes this.
  20. vorky @vorkywh24

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2010
    Messages:
    9,758
    Likes Received:
    375
    Trophy Points:
    124
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    I will just add to @SoundAndFury. According to the Russian telegram sources, Amur got money for Plotnikov & this money should be used for monetary compensation (25% of the deal) to Karpov & Kablukov whose deals should be terminated by Amur. Both Karpov & Kablukov as unrestricted free agents should sign with Metallurg. So, in reality (if true but all details are not publicly available, see a value of the financial compensation by Magnitka) Metallurg Mg should indirectly pay financial compensation to Karpov & Kablukov (de iure Amur) & both will sign with Magnitka for less money (due to salary cap ceiling).

    This off-season is really interesting.
     
  21. SoundAndFury Registered User

    Joined:
    May 28, 2012
    Messages:
    6,753
    Likes Received:
    1,738
    Trophy Points:
    136
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Ah, so in reality, it's just Amur serving the purpose for the bigger teams. Now that makes way more sense, what leverage would they ever have to actually win trades with Magnitka and such.

    But then they basically only got Butuzov and Olshansky for Rudenkov? Now that's kinda sad. I was somewhat enthusiastic about the little guy outsmarting someone for once but in reality, they just did what they were allowed to do by the big boys. Back to reality.
     
  22. rohky Registered User

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2019
    Messages:
    142
    Likes Received:
    28
    Trophy Points:
    21
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    freelance
    Location:
    Reading
    Long awaiting news for me - Alexander Yeryomenko will stay for one more year with Dinamo Moscow. He deserved new contract IMHO
     
  23. ozo Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2010
    Messages:
    3,845
    Likes Received:
    128
    Trophy Points:
    111
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    All the recent "trades" just make me wonder why KHL just didn't give teams complimentary buyouts this summer. Asking Amur (soon Vityaz too?) to buy out players seems stupid to me.
     
  24. vorky @vorkywh24

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2010
    Messages:
    9,758
    Likes Received:
    375
    Trophy Points:
    124
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Do you mean like "compliance buyout in NHL, which do not count against the cap"???

    If so, then I will surprise you. The KHL allowed their clubs such buyouts this off-season, which do not count against the cap. See article 51 (7) k of the KHL Legal Regulations.
     
  25. SoundAndFury Registered User

    Joined:
    May 28, 2012
    Messages:
    6,753
    Likes Received:
    1,738
    Trophy Points:
    136
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Except KHL clubs prefer to deal with the situation in the old way - threaten players to send them rot away in the VHL if they don't agree to "mutual termination". See the situation with Beck and Andrighetto.

    The same situation with SKA/Magnitka/Amur, they probably have some deepwater reasons.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice
monitoring_string = "358c248ada348a047a4b9bb27a146148"