Peter25
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Nikita Kucherov has played only 33 games in the CHL in his whole career. He is hardly a product of Canadian juniors.
Jokerit will join the league next season and it is possible that Spartak will be merged with another team from Moscow.Yes. And pigs can fly too.
Soviet≠Russian.Ozolins (Sorry Latvians but he is a Soviet product
Radulov, Burmistrov, Voynov, Khoklachev, Namestnikov, Kucherov, Yakupov, Grigorenko, Zadorov are playing, were playing or are on the verge of playing in the NHL. How many young players developed in Russia are there? When do you think Slepyshev will debut in the NHL with his 10 minutes of TOI with SU? Kosov with 9.40 per game? When Khoklachev or Kucherov would've debuted in the NHL if they stayed?
Khoklachev is a great, absolutely great example here. He was being buried by Spartak in the KHL instead of playing 20+ minutes per night on one of the best teams in the OHL. Can anyone say even more players need this kind of treatment?
so progress of russian hockey will sky rocket with an addition of some useless foreign clubs to the khl. good to knowJokerit will join the league next season and it is possible that Spartak will be merged with another team from Moscow.
If not the next season, it is bound to happen soon.
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Russian hockey is stagnating/regressing. In a free market environment the number of Russian players would be comparable to that of American players in the NHL. If KHL wants to grow and be competitive, that's the only path they can take.
Radulov, Burmistrov, Voynov, Khoklachev, Namestnikov, Kucherov, Yakupov, Grigorenko, Zadorov are playing, were playing or are on the verge of playing in the NHL. How many young players developed in Russia are there?
When do you think Slepyshev will debut in the NHL with his 10 minutes of TOI with SU? Kosov with 9.40 per game? When Khoklachev or Kucherov would've debuted in the NHL if they stayed?
Khoklachev is a great, absolutely great example here. He was being buried by Spartak in the KHL instead of playing 20+ minutes per night on one of the best teams in the OHL. Can anyone say even more players need this kind of treatment
How many developed in Russia? I'd say all of 'em are developed in Russia. Playing 1 year in a country won't get you developed by that country. As others said, Kucherov played half a season in America. How that is not developed in Russia is beyond me.
How many developed in Russia? I'd say all of 'em are developed in Russia. Playing 1 year in a country won't get you developed by that country. As others said, Kucherov played half a season in America. How that is not developed in Russia is beyond me.
Like Khokhlachev has achieved anything as by now.
First of all, the only useless clubs (in terms of quality/attendance/infrastructure/location&living conditions) in the KHL are currently based in Russia.so progress of russian hockey will sky rocket with an addition of some useless foreign clubs to the khl. good to know
Make it 47 games. But anyway, I didn't say he's a product of CHL, I said he wouldn't be an impact player in the NHL at the age of 20 he is now without moving to CHL. And I think that's indisputable.
First of all, the only useless clubs (in terms of quality/attendance/infrastructure/location&living conditions) in the KHL are currently based in Russia.
Second, no one cares about the progress of Russian hockey outside of Russia.
Third, progress of the Russian hockey programme has nothing to do with how many Russian ice hockey players there are in the KHL. Otherwise Russian hockey would grow best if no foreigners would be allowed in the league, which would make the existence of the KHL a bit of a paradox.
First of all, the only useless clubs (in terms of quality/attendance/infrastructure/location&living conditions) in the KHL are currently based in Russia.
Second, no one cares about the progress of Russian hockey outside of Russia.
In 1990-1995 Russia had plenty of good defensemen who could contribute offensively: Fetisov, Kasatonov, Tatarinov, Konstantinov, Malakhov, Shiryayev, Zubov, Ozolins (Sorry Latvians but he is a Soviet product), Zhitnik, D.Mironov, Yushkevich, B.Mironov, Gonchar, Gusarov, Byakin, Kravchuk, Shendelev, Karpovtsev, Kasparaitis etc.
That is a group of 19 defensemen that you could be spread out for three very good national teams.
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Now we have a group of players who include Voynov, Markov, Kulikov, Orlov, Tyutin, Nikitin and Belov. If you compare them to the list of 1990-1995 players you can pretty much see the difference in talent and in depth.
In fact he would be a much better player if he could develop in the russian system for a couple more years,
hey, i'm regressing but it's not me it's the khl. it's too simpe don't you think?Sure, worked out great for Kuznetsov
When it comes to Kucherov, I don't really care, we can agree to disagree, not a point I was trying to make anyway since he falls into that category of elite prospects who most likely would've made it anyway through better or worse.
he meant soviet products, it'd be moronic to argue thatAre Zhitnik and Ozo Russian products too?
Sure, worked out great for Kuznetsov
The only laughable thing here is wanting to jump to conclusions on Kuzya's career. Lol he's 21 years old, jeez, won WJC and WC gold medals. How many players accomplished that? If there's a thing I strongly disagree with is the so fashion nowadays Kuzya bashing. He is one hell of a player, just had a shaky season due to injuries. Even this season when he almost didn't play or played on one leg there were some games in which he played like a superstar. And in any case this is a kind of OT stuff, because if he departed to America, he'd do it to play in the NHL, definitely not in the CHL.
But haters gonna hate (especially KHL haters).
Every single club is supported by Russian governmental funds.All foreign clubs, except Donbass and Barys have some money support from Russian sponsors. And sooner or later that support will be cut off. When your team will self support we will gladly hear all that *** about "quality", "attendance" and "locations". Lol.
The aim was to create an elite league that would be competitive on a global scale, instead of playing hockey in Siberian sheds between second-rate teams.Yes. And because of that your are completely wrong about KHL future. KHL isn't created to please some delusional foreign fans. It's created with goal to strengthen Russian hockey.
Who's FHR?It's your opinion. FHR thinks differently.
If no one watches your hockey team, the existence of said team is pointless+financially unfeasible.First of all here we are talking players' development, Stop that attendance talk. You manage to get one KHL arena per nation full and it's cool, but so what?
Because no one wants to play in Siberia or run-down arenas and live in shabby Russian hotels with cockroaches, while risking to be killed on a defective airplane every other day.Location? Why should we have teams west of St.Petersburg?
There are bears in Russia and balalaika is one of the traditional instruments, yes.Living conditions? You still believe they are bad in Russia? Maybe also the balalaika bears BS too?
So are you implying that there are no other Russian clubs in the KHL apart from Moscow Dynamo or AK Bars?Quality? Give me a break. How many Gagarin Cups did the non-russian teams win?
Compared to bottom-ranked Russian teams - yes.Yo-yo teams like Riga and Slovan are supposed to be "quality"?
I hope that happens one day.Let them have their mediocre leagues. Noone in Russia cares.
I'm not a KHL hater and I think everyone around here knows that. But Kuznetsov regressed and holes in his game are humongous. He is one hell of a one-man-show, not one hell of a player. His two-way game at this point is below NHL level. It's not about injuries, one leg or two legs. It's about the way he plays. And I'm not jumping to conclusions, I'm just saying that staying in the KHL hurt his development and that's clear.
I would love to hear at least one reply about the actual mistreatment of young players in the KHL.
He's 21 for the God's sake. He'll go to the NHL soon and in 3 years we'll talk.
now, if we fill the teams with gastarbeiters, where will we play youngsters?
I think he is right about Kuznetsov, but I wouldn't blame it on the KHL, its his own attitude about things IMO that has lowered his status. He will surely bounce back.
They should opt to play in the VHL or go to a lesser team. Look at Lazarev, couldn't cut it in Atlant, now stars along side with another great home grown youngster Malykhin. Panarin developed through crappy Vityaz before jumping to stardom in SKA. Guy like Kosov was never a great prospect in the first place and is playing on a stacked team. No wonder.
You are right in both cases. But regarding Kuznetsov, as much as it was his own faulty attitude, seemingly nobody really pressured him to change it. He was just allowed to do his own thing and be the biggest star in the league or at least conference or at least his town in the process.
Regarding VHL argument and the situation of guys like Kosov, maybe they would opt to play in the VHL but they are not allowed to due to the age limit. Because those stacked teams are forced to have a junior on the bench and they choose to have the best one because result matters. Sure, places like Vityaz or Novokuznetsk or even Cherepovets (places the guys you've mentioned like Panarin and Buchnevich played/play in) are great for youngsters to play, that's true, and the guys like Burdasov have chosen to sit on the bench/be scratched themselves but others who are trapped in teams like SKA or Ak Bars, are doomed.
Oh, and I just noticed you've edited my post written yesterday by mistake (I guess) instead of quoting it so I completely missed it.