KHL: Aftermath of Lokomotiv Tragedy (& discussion of NHL disaster plan)

Kritter471

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A New York Times story from yesterday said that there was life insurance on each of the players in a similar setup to the NHL system.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/09/s...-forced-to-decide-whats-next-after-crash.html

Kochevrin said a decision would be reached by next Monday on how to proceed, “depending on what Loko wants to do,” he said, using the team’s nickname. “It has to be low cost for the club because it is now facing huge financial obligations.”

Every player on the Lokomotiv roster was insured, a provision mandated by the K.H.L. two seasons ago as part of a drive to bring league standards in line with those of the N.H.L.
 
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Also, does the KHL have any minor league talent pools like the AHL and ECHL? How many coaches and other staff were on that plane?

Like the pre NHL-entry draft, the KHL teams have a junior feeder team. I'm not aware that they really have a minor league system for call ups. (Although I seem to recall a "B" league playing in Russia, etc.)

AIUI like most European teams, there are 2-3 windows/season that allow "import" players to be signed. There's like a early/mid August deadline, one late in the calendar year (December?). And European teams sometimes start signing players in April (well before the NHL contracted pending UFA players can even begin testing the waters to see if they'll find a spot to play).

Not really sure how many the players team is allowed to carry in the KHL. (For instance, the NHL has a playing roster limit of 23 pre trade deadline, the ECHL it's like 22 or 23. AIUI, there is no "limit" for AHL teams.)

AFAIK, the head coach, a couple of assistant coaches, plus trainers, equipment guys, in addition to like 23 main roster players, 5 junior players. 45 total on the plane; 8 crew leaves 37 players and staff.
 

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http://www.tsn.ca/nba/story/?id=375648

Lokomotiv may begin play in December, in lower level (MHL).

Mutko said that Lokomotiv Yaroslavl would be demoted to a lower league as part of a gradual rebuilding program, in line with the team management's wishes.
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Lokomotiv president Yury Yakovlyev said the team might begin playing in December in the Major Hockey League, which is the second tier of Russian hockey.

By way of a concession, Lokomotiv will be automatically eligible to compete in next year's playoffs, regardless of where it places in the MHL.
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Mutko said the rebuilding of Lokomotiv would take place in a series of stages.

The first step will be transferring the team to the Major Hockey League. After that, youth players from other clubs will be permitted to transfer to Lokomotiv, Mutko said.

Yakovlyev said Lokomotiv's farm team of young and up-and-coming players would be used as the base on which to create a new squad. He added that before next season, Lokomotiv would seek to attract players with expired contracts and have the quota for foreign players increased to six -- one more than for other teams.
 

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http://en.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=24161

Today, the 13th of September, a briefing was given by Alexander Medvedev, president of the KHL. At the instigation of the head of the League, the event began with a minute’s silence in memory of the players and employees of the club who lost their lives.
“I will pass on the main conclusions from yesterday evening’s meeting with the President of the Russian Federation, Dmitry Medvedev. Firstly, the government will provide assistance to HC Lokomotiv in fulfilling all contractual obligations to the families of the deceased players and employees in accordance with KHL regulations. There will be no reductions in the sums to be paid. Furthermore, taking into account the varying values of different players’ contracts, a lower limit of the sum of compensation will be set. For those players on more modest contracts, the bar will be raised significantly. It is specifically for this measure that additional resources will be provided. As for the payments according to existing contracts with Lokomotiv, it should be able to meet these sums at the sponsors’ expense alone.â€
“Secondly, the decision was taken about how specifically to revive Lokomotiv. According to the proposals from the club itself and from Russian Railways, Lokomotiv will not be playing in the KHL this season. On the basis of this decision we opened discussions about those measures necessary to rebuild the team. President of Russia Dmitry Medvedev rightly pointed out that questions regarding hockey should be tackled by the relevant bodies. He gave an assignment to the KHL, to the KHL players’ union and to the Ministry of Sport, as part of a program which HC Lokomotiv will put together, to prepare the necessary changes in the KHL procedures. The precise nature of these changes is a matter for the KHL, the players’ union, and the club. Then the proposals from Lokomotiv president Yury Yakovlev were heard. This season Lokomotiv’s youth team will continue playing in the junior league, the MHL. By December the club intends to put together a team to play in the lower league, the VHL. The club also requested that it be guaranteed a place in the VHL play-offs. In addition, Mr. Yakovlev asked that the team could perhaps - and I stress, perhaps - be guaranteed a place in the play-offs in next season’s KHL championship. The League is prepared to take such a decision, but only time can decide whether or not Lokomotiv itself would need this guaranteed place, because I am confident that a year from now the team would have already reached a good enough level for such indulgences to be unnecessary.â€
“As for Lokomotiv’s request to be freed from the Entry Draft, so that all the young players who learn their hockey at the club can stay at the club – I think this is easy to implement. All the juniors will nonetheless still feature in the KHL Scouting Bureau’s ratings, but they will not go into the draft.
“More complicated questions arise concerning how to rebuild the team and how to organize this influx of players, especially taking into account that the team will return by playing in the VHL, and only later in the KHL. These questions need serious discussions, which we will begin in the very near future. We agreed with Mr. Yakovlev that we will start the truly productive work only when all the events of the period of mourning are over. I think by the 30th of October we will have drawn up and agreed upon the changes to the procedures of the KHL, VHL and if necessary, the MHL.


Plus a bit more on plane travel, the internationalness of hockey.


Looks like the sponsors are providing most of the funds to pay off the contract obligations.
 

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Family of fmr Kings scout Mark Bavis settled w/United Airlines, ending last wrongful death lawsuit from 9/11 - on.wsj.com/qSXjbs


While the source (terrorism) is not the same, were Russia a very litigious society, one might assume there could be similar lawsuits filed over poor maintenance, poor choice of plane/personnel, etc. (depending on the findings of the crash report).
 

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Phoenix Coyotes, led by the wife of Jason LaBarbera, are organizing donations for Lokomotiv families and will be selling Lokomotiv bracelets with the proceeds going to the families.

http://coyotes.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=589408

Article says that all 24 US teams are participating in this as well. So, I'm guessing that you'll be able to purchase bracelets at your local NHL arena at some point this season.
 

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Phoenix Coyotes, led by the wife of Jason LaBarbera, are organizing donations for Lokomotiv families and will be selling Lokomotiv bracelets with the proceeds going to the families.

http://coyotes.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=589408

Don't mean to sound cold but I hope to hell this stuff is going on at other NHL arenas besides Jobing.com!

Terrible tragedy. It is also a reminder why top talent comes to play in the NHL. I have heard MANY guys on the radio in Ontario that played in Russia and said they never really felt safe traveling....nowhere near as safe as they felt in North America.

Just another reason why they come here to play...that and the big bucks.

This incident was awful.....but I hope it serves as a reminder to teams and players....you aren't invincible. Precautions should be taken. If weather is bad and it blows up your pre-game agenda....so be it. Divert and take the bus.
 

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NHL's Disaster Contingency Plan

I was in law class last night and learned of this interesting plan the NHL has devised in the event that tragedy strikes a team in the NHL and some of their players are killed. Here is how it works:

In the event that 5 or more of a teams' players die or are disabled from the same event, the disaster contingency plan goes into effect.

The first step of the plan is that every player in the NHL's life is insured for 1 million dollars. That money goes toward a fund that the affected team can use to "purchase" players from other teams. For example, in the event that 5 players died, they could offer 5 million dollars to Phoenix (cash) for Kyle Turris. Phoenix can then either choose to accept or decline the offer (in my opinion this would almost always result in a decline, seems like a kind of tedious stage of the contingency plan).

Then, if their roster has less than 1 goalie and 14 skaters, OR at the discretion of the affected team, stage 2 of the contingency plan goes into effect.

In this stage, every team in the league is told to protect 1 goalie and 10 skaters that cannot be taken by the affected team. The affected team then replinishes their deceased/disabled ONLY FOR THE POSITIONS THAT WERE LOST.

Each team can only have ONE player taken from their team (and are compensated by $1M), and if a goalie is taken from them, all other teams in the NHL are told to protect TWO of their goalies, and the remaining goaltenders are allowed to be taken by the "poached team" to replenish the goalie they just lost.

A fairly interesting concept that woke me up in law class, what are your guys' views on the policy? I think it's a little too "beneficial" (hate to use that word) to the affected team. I mean if they lost 5 players, and decide to go to the draft, they are going to have access to some pretty good talent to select from...I think the Contingency Plan needs work.

Also, you guys will be happy to know that I of course asked about the NMC in events like this: it is superseded by this ruling and the NMC has no say in preventing the player has to go to the affected team.
 

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A fairly interesting concept that woke me up in law class, what are your guys' views on the policy? I think it's a little too "beneficial" (hate to use that word) to the affected team. I mean if they lost 5 players, and decide to go to the draft, they are going to have access to some pretty good talent to select from...I think the Contingency Plan needs work.
Touchy subject even talking hypothetically about something like this but...

Protecting 10 skaters for each team and their starting goaltender I don't see resulting in any major on ice benefit for the affected team. Even if the team didn't lose their star players, they're likely only going to get maybe a number 3 defenseman and borderline 2nd liner at best. If they don't lose a defenseman the other teams protect their top 10 forwards as well. Losing a goaltender could result in Schneider or Rask or Bernier etc. Would be curious if there would be some form of understanding that losing a backup goalie wouldn't allow them to pick someone like that though.

However, the Contingency Plan is in place that if some horrible event does occur that the team still has hope which is probably going to be really important the organisation at that time, honestly I would hope some star (or good) players would step up and ask to go to the team and the other franchises allow it.
 

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It would be a tragedy for any player (yet alone 5 or more) to lose their life, and I think it is rather heartless that the league would encourage a team to "buy" new players, as if they are just replaceable assets.
 

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It would be a tragedy for any player (yet alone 5 or more) to lose their life, and I think it is rather heartless that the league would encourage a team to "buy" new players, as if they are just replaceable assets.

Seems that way, but what else could be done?

Cancelling the Locomotiv season made sense because they lost everyone. But if a team lost 5 or 6 players, I don't think a season would need to be cancelled. Obviously they might cancel the games for a week or two to help people cope, but after that, they kind of have to go on, one would think.
 

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Seems that way, but what else could be done?

Cancelling the Locomotiv season made sense because they lost everyone. But if a team lost 5 or 6 players, I don't think a season would need to be cancelled. Obviously they might cancel the games for a week or two to help people cope, but after that, they kind of have to go on, one would think.

For a team to lose a quarter of their roster, I think it would be in the best interest for the team to cancel the remainder of their season. Granted, it would have extreme ramifications on the rest of the league, I find it more appropriate than basically turning a tragedy into an expansion draft.
 

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In this stage, every team in the league is told to protect 1 goalie and 10 skaters that cannot be taken by the affected team. The affected team then replinishes their deceased/disabled ONLY FOR THE POSITIONS THAT WERE LOST.

Seems strange that for other teams to protect, all skaters are equal - whereas for the team trying to rebuild, they have to work within the parameters of the positions of the players that were lost.

Suppose a team loses five defensemen, what's to stop every team from just protecting its entire defense corps with the ten skaters that they're allowed to protect?

I think they'd be better off developing a system whereby players are protected according to five positions (C/LW/RW/D/G), not just goalies and skaters, and the number of players that each team is allowed to protect in each position varies by the number of players in each position that were lost.
 

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This might just be me being mushy, but I'd like to think that those players that passed would have wanted their team to keep playing. No one ever says "if I die, I want everyone to sulk about it for a while." While they can't be replaced, playing in honor of those lost is one of the best ways to keep their memory alive.

Now with Lokomotiv, I can totally understand cancelling the entire season.
 

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Suppose a team loses five defensemen, what's to stop every team from just protecting its entire defense corps with the ten skaters that they're allowed to protect?

I think it's likely while they do have a guideline (The Contigency Plan) it's no where close to set in stone and could be reevaluated and changed based on the exact situation.
 

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Seems strange that for other teams to protect, all skaters are equal - whereas for the team trying to rebuild, they have to work within the parameters of the positions of the players that were lost.

Suppose a team loses five defensemen, what's to stop every team from just protecting its entire defense corps with the ten skaters that they're allowed to protect?

I think they'd be better off developing a system whereby players are protected according to five positions (C/LW/RW/D/G), not just goalies and skaters, and the number of players that each team is allowed to protect in each position varies by the number of players in each position that were lost.

Very good point. Seems to be a pretty drastic flaw in the system.
 

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I think it's likely while they do have a guideline (The Contigency Plan) it's no where close to set in stone and could be reevaluated and changed based on the exact situation.

I'm no lawyer but I think if they tried to free-hand the specifications of the plan last minute it wouldn't go over well with the lawyers of the NHLPA/individual organizations.

I would assume the real preventative measure taking here is of good faith, that a team wouldn't "screw over" the affected team by only protecting players that play the positions that they lost.

Would get a whole lot of bad press.
 

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I would assume the real preventative measure taking here is of good faith, that a team wouldn't "screw over" the affected team by only protecting players that play the positions that they lost.

I have enough faith in humanity to believe that owners would be forgiving if such a crisis ever struck the league - but at the same time, if you've done an excellent job of drafting and developing your talent, it can be hard to part with those assets, even if it contributes to a good that goes way beyond business or sport.
 

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Somehow, this seems like the beginnings of a movie plot.

"Strapped for cash, the Miami Coyotes desperately need to make the playoffs or be relocated to Snow City. But they can't replace the 5 no-talent goofballs that are holding them back...

or can they?

Starring Will Ferrell, Jack Black, Adam Sandler, Mike Myers and Cuba Gooding, Jr."
 

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