Value of: Kevin Hayes to The Toronto Maple Leafs

[Torontoborn]

good value and roster flexibility
Leafs have too much $ in pivot, moving similar $ into multiple quality assets spreads cap $ thru roster = mo cap flexibility.

it's an all in move, but also facilitates Gardiner for futures
and DeA after growing pains looks certain to NHL player, how much ceiling still determined over next 1-2 yrs.
Lilj is not a guarantee.
I'm not saying he is a certain bust, not at all.
But he was drafted with expectation of 1D, and he has not yet made Leafs, let alone impressed as 1D material

You do realize he's 19 right? Our d core was already filled out before he was drafted with Hainsey, Gardiner, Zaitsev.

 

[Shootertooter]

Kadri
Rosen

For

Hayes
Skjei
McQuaid
3rd

Pass. If I am giving up Skjei, I want Kapanen, if it isn't in the cards, no deal to be made.
I like Kadri but at 28 he really should not be a player the Rangers target during a rebuild.
Rosen is also not the type of player the Rangers acquire considering their rebuild.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Kadri
Rosen

For

Hayes
Skjei
McQuaid
3rd

At least you didn't include Zaitsev and Brown.

 

[Jared Dunn]

good value and roster flexibility
Leafs have too much $ in pivot, moving similar $ into multiple quality assets spreads cap $ thru roster = mo cap flexibility.

it's an all in move, but also facilitates Gardiner for futures
and DeA after growing pains looks certain to NHL player, how much ceiling still determined over next 1-2 yrs.
Lilj is not a guarantee.
I'm not saying he is a certain bust, not at all.
But he was drafted with expectation of 1D, and he has not yet made Leafs, let alone impressed as 1D material

Not true at all

 

[Kupo]

Are Rangers adding and is Nylander coming to NY to be 1RW bookend with Kreider?
Hayes at half
Skjei
DeAngelo
McQuaid
TB's 2nd late if there = conditional last 1st if Bolts win Cup

for
Nylander
Liljigren
Marincin

didn't do the math but that looks ballpark = cap
remember Nylander at 10.x rate this year, 6.9 going forward

Also gives Leafs FO to zing Nylander for holding out so long

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if not Nylander package, then
competition likely requires something like
Hayes at half expiring
for
1st + Lilj minimum + maybe Kapanen

Typical foolish and unrealistic proposal with waaaaaaaaay too many parts. Bern are you ever going to create a good proposal that makes sense for both teams?

You're like, 0/372.

 

[Dr Quincy]

good value and roster flexibility
Leafs have too much $ in pivot, moving similar $ into multiple quality assets spreads cap $ thru roster = mo cap flexibility.

it's an all in move, but also facilitates Gardiner for futures
and DeA after growing pains looks certain to NHL player, how much ceiling still determined over next 1-2 yrs.
Lilj is not a guarantee.
I'm not saying he is a certain bust, not at all.
But he was drafted with expectation of 1D, and he has not yet made Leafs, let alone impressed as 1D material

Teams don't trade core pieces for redundant pieces.

And McQuaid is neither good nor quality.

Maybe don't try to hit a 5 run homer and just go for a nice ground rule double next time.

 

[Torontoborn]

The only way Kap is involved in any deal with the Rangers Kreider needs to be involved, that would at least get the conversation going. No Kreider no conversation period.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Here is the issue with this thread. It's been reported many times that Leafs are scouting the Canes hard. Canes apparently want Kapanen / Johnsson and the Leafs won't pay it.

If the Leafs could get a top 4 RD for Kapanen / Johnsson but are saying the price is too high (when that is their biggest need), why on earth would the Leafs ever consider moving them for essentially a rental given the Leafs cap situation?

 

[Nickmo82]

Don't you think that's a bit of an overpayment for an expiring contract?

Making assumptions can be dangerous.

 

[Liferleafer]

Here is the issue with this thread. It's been reported many times that Leafs are scouting the Canes hard. Canes apparently want Kapanen / Johnsson and the Leafs won't pay it.

If the Leafs could get a top 4 RD for Kapanen / Johnsson but are saying the price is too high (when that is their biggest need), why on earth would the Leafs ever consider moving them for essentially a rental given the Leafs cap situation?

Not quite true....the problem is what the Leafs would pay them for. They would pay Kap/Johnsson(+) for Pesce/Hamilton....the Canes want Kap/Johnsson for Faulk.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Not quite true....the problem is what the Leafs would pay them for. They would pay Kap/Johnsson(+) for Pesce/Hamilton....the Canes want Kap/Johnsson for Faulk.

Not based on what has been reported. Even last game they re-iterated during intermission that the Leafs are scouting the Canes and they are interested in Johnsson / Kapanen. In fact, they report Pesce by name as a guy the Leafs are scouting but reluctant to move players off the roster.

So forget the Canes POV and what they value Pesce as. From a Leafs POV, they are reluctant to move those guys for a top pair RD signed long term on a good deal.

Which is my point. If they won't move them for THAT, why for a rental?

 

[Torontoborn]

Making assumptions can be dangerous.

No assumptions just an opinion.

 

[Shootertooter]

Not based on what has been reported. Even last game they re-iterated during intermission that the Leafs are scouting the Canes and they are interested in Johnsson / Kapanen. In fact, they report Pesce by name as a guy the Leafs are scouting but reluctant to move players off the roster.

So forget the Canes POV and what they value Pesce as. From a Leafs POV, they are reluctant to move those guys for a top pair RD signed long term on a good deal.

Which is my point. If they won't move them for THAT, why for a rental?

I think as the deadline creeps closer and GM's get more desperate....things can easily change.
If your GM thinks he is a player or two away, he will make a move that the fans might question.

 

[Kamiccolo]

I think as the deadline creeps closer and GM's get more desperate....things can easily change.
If your GM thinks he is a player or two away, he will make a move that the fans might question.

On the flip side if a GM believes that he has the pieces necessary to win, he won't want to touch the roster at all (which is what is being reported).

And this doesn't even address my point either. At that point he would be calling Carolina to fill the teams biggest need rather than paying the same price for a rental who would be a luxury on Toronto's forward core.

 

[Nickmo82]

No assumptions just an opinion.

You were assuming that Bern's proposal took rational thought. I was pointing out that mistake. Your opinion is valid.

 

[Shootertooter]

On the flip side if a GM believes that he has the pieces necessary to win, he won't want to touch the roster at all (which is what is being reported).

And this doesn't even address my point either. At that point he would be calling Carolina to fill the teams biggest need rather than paying the same price for a rental who would be a luxury on Toronto's forward core.

I agree and said it here earlier, Toronto should be looking at D and not Kreider.

 

[ole ole]

Eklund Quote:

"I am hearing a lot of talk at this hour that Kevin Hayes is now a target for the Maple Leafs..."

HockeyBuzz.com - Eklund - Leafs & Hayes? PHI & D? Habs, Duchene, Simmonds, Coyle dealt to BOS


What would it cost ?

It seems the Leafs are targeting everyone.Only so many rosters spots.

 

[93gilmour93]

It seems the Leafs are targeting everyone.Only so many rosters spots.

Dubas should be targeting a bunch of different players. Keep that communication line open with multiple GM's because a bunch of them won't happen for a variety of reasons but one or two deals may get worked out.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

I can see Johansson going to the Rangers if they take Zaits+Brown for Hayes+McQuaid

 

[5cotland]

I can see Johansson going to the Rangers if they take Zaits+Brown for Hayes+McQuaid

Ye on top of that 2020 first

 

[Deadly Dogma]

Ye on top of that 2020 first

My gut feeling is the Rangers willingness to entertain taking Zaits back in trade is giving them leverage over the Canes right now.

 

[405Exit]

Ye on top of that 2020 first

Yah Zaitsev has negative value. I agree on that first coming to Rangers

 

[BPD]

Good good, that Zaitsev contract is brutal. I don't think I realized just how bad that is until every leafs fan on the planet keeps offering him.

Only way I take that contract is if it comes with something truly amazing

 

[Pyrophorus]

Not the NYR forward I want.

 

[Shootertooter]

The only way Kap is involved in any deal with the Rangers Kreider needs to be involved, that would at least get the conversation going. No Kreider no conversation period.

My understanding is that Kreider was involved in the discussion for Kap here.