Value of: Kevin Hayes to The Toronto Maple Leafs
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Are Rangers adding and is Nylander coming to NY to be 1RW bookend with Kreider?
Hayes at half
Skjei
DeAngelo
McQuaid
TB's 2nd late if there = conditional last 1st if Bolts win Cup
for
Nylander
Liljigren
Marincin
didn't do the math but that looks ballpark = cap
remember Nylander at 10.x rate this year, 6.9 going forward
Also gives Leafs FO to zing Nylander for holding out so long
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if not Nylander package, then
competition likely requires something like
Hayes at half expiring
for
1st + Lilj minimum + maybe Kapanen
Hayes at half
Skjei
DeAngelo
McQuaid
TB's 2nd late if there = conditional last 1st if Bolts win Cup
for
Nylander
Liljigren
Marincin
didn't do the math but that looks ballpark = cap
remember Nylander at 10.x rate this year, 6.9 going forward
Also gives Leafs FO to zing Nylander for holding out so long
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if not Nylander package, then
competition likely requires something like
Hayes at half expiring
for
1st + Lilj minimum + maybe Kapanen
justafan22
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Leafs don't have a reliable 4C, and need someone to play up and down the lineup come playoff time.
one of kadri/nylander moves to centre and you plug hayes at 3C.
Off Sides
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I think Hayes goes to a team who also tries to extend him, if so that team is going to need cap space for next year and beyond. Maybe even a team that knows they would be going after him as a UFA anyway and wants to both use him for their playoffs and get early negotiations in, should an extension not already have been agreed upon which helped facilitate the trade in the first place.
I'm not sure how the Leafs would reconcile that unless they are sending out cap in a Hayes trade or in some other trade.
I'm not sure how the Leafs would reconcile that unless they are sending out cap in a Hayes trade or in some other trade.
Dr Quincy
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What the ,.......???
Why does TOR want 3 roster D?
And as for your 2nd deal? You are clearly overrating the return for a rental.
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For an expiring contract? Jesus. The equivalent of three first round picks?
There isn't a member of the Leafs front office that would even entertain Kapanen straight up for an expiring Hayes.
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And people say Leafs fans overvalue players. Lol
Considering multiple years of Skjei under contract and DeA entering rfa, no, not at all.
Mickey Marner
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Trading for Hayes is stupid and Eklund is a charlatan.
CanadianKingsFan14
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good value and roster flexibility
Leafs have too much $ in pivot, moving similar $ into multiple quality assets spreads cap $ thru roster = mo cap flexibility.
it's an all in move, but also facilitates Gardiner for futures
and DeA after growing pains looks certain to NHL player, how much ceiling still determined over next 1-2 yrs.
Lilj is not a guarantee.
I'm not saying he is a certain bust, not at all.
But he was drafted with expectation of 1D, and he has not yet made Leafs, let alone impressed as 1D material
Nylander has been our best player the last few weeks, we aren't trading him AND our top prospect (Liljegren better than Sandin currently and a RHD, Sandin could be better eventually though) in a package for Kreider, a pending UFA and a package of defensemen that would leave us having to waive at least two or three of them in order to have enough forwards.
Rielly
Muzzin
Gardiner
Dermott (waivers exempt)
Zaitsev
Hainsey
Ozhiganov (waivers exempt)
Holl
Skeji
Mcquaid
DeAngelo
You could send down Ozhiganov and waive Holl since they aren't playing right now anyways, but Dermott is our 3rd or 4th best d-man so he isn't going down. Even if he does that still leaves you 8 defensemen so who sits out of that group?
Hayes isn't worth the 2nd package either. Maybe a late 1st and a good prospect. Or a 2nd and a top prospect, but you aren't getting both plus a Kapanen.
justafan22
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Any deal for a player making more than 1.5 million needs to have a roster player going the other way.
They can afford Kreider, but salary has to go back/rangers retain $$
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I think the premise here is that
A- Toronto does not want to move anything of real value. Nylander is out of the question as I think Lilj. is as well for them. Obviously this negates the reality of any trade then.
B- taking in 3 D in trade to an already log jammed system doesn't make much sense.
Maybe a deal around Hayes at 50% with Skjei for Kapanen + a cap hit to even out the incoming......and not Zaitsev could work?
A- Toronto does not want to move anything of real value. Nylander is out of the question as I think Lilj. is as well for them. Obviously this negates the reality of any trade then.
B- taking in 3 D in trade to an already log jammed system doesn't make much sense.
Maybe a deal around Hayes at 50% with Skjei for Kapanen + a cap hit to even out the incoming......and not Zaitsev could work?
Shootertooter
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Let's not get crazy, it is the same guy for NYR, all the time.
lol it was tongue in cheek, just referencing TOR's already great C depth with JT-AM-Kadri/Nylander..... NYR is probably expecting min a 1st for him or a similar level prospect. Leafs dont have a 1st and don't see them moving that caliber of prospect just to upgrade their 4C.
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that's true. I could only see the Leafs getting in on the Hayes market if Duchene doesn't get moved until Sunday/deadline day and the rangers are left holding the bag
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Considering the last thing the Leafs need is 3 more defensemen, this really does not address their needs and is yet another terrible valuation of players and assets.
