Value of: Kevin Hayes to the Carolina Hurricanes

[Kakko Schmakko]

I’m really enjoying your expert analysis.

you think this is better than the Rangers' roster?:

LW	C	RW
Brock McGinn	Jordan Staal	Justin Williams
Valentin Zykov	Sebastian Aho	Teuvo Teräväinen
Michael Ferland	Martin Nečas	Andrei Svechnikov
Warren Foegele	Lucas Wallmark	Phillip Di Giuseppe

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Injured: Victor Rask

LD	RD
Jaccob Slavin	Brett Pesce
Calvin de Haan	Dougie Hamilton
Trevor van Riemsdyk	Justin Faulk

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Injured:

G
Scott Darling
Petr Mrázek

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[GoldiFox]

Haan is not a major signing, almost as unexciting as Claesson signing.

De Haan was one of the top free agents available. Just like Justin Williams signing with the Canes last year.

Rangers could easily be better than the Canes this year. Not that either team should be proud of their finishes near the bottom of the Metro.

 

[spockBokk]

you think this is better than the Rangers' roster?:

LW	C	RW
Brock McGinn	Jordan Staal	Justin Williams
Valentin Zykov	Sebastian Aho	Teuvo Teräväinen
Michael Ferland	Martin Nečas	Andrei Svechnikov
Warren Foegele	Lucas Wallmark	Phillip Di Giuseppe

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Injured: Victor Rask

LD	RD
Jaccob Slavin	Brett Pesce
Calvin de Haan	Dougie Hamilton
Trevor van Riemsdyk	Justin Faulk

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Injured:

G
Scott Darling
Petr Mrázek

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Um...yes

 

[One Winged Angel]

I doubt it, on paper Rangers roster is much better than Canes.

Have you seen the Rangers defense? The Rangers have the advantage in net and that's it. The Canes have better depth the Rangers in every other position.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

To be honest I think they are going for a top pick this season, that is why they unloaded Skinner in the offseason and did not go after any UFAs

To be honest, your thoughts are way off base.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Um...yes

no way in hell:

LW	C	RW
Chris Kreider	Mika Zibanejad	Pavel Buchnevich
Filip Chytil	Kevin Hayes	Mats Zuccarello
Ryan Spooner	Brett Howden	Vladislav Namestnikov
Jimmy Vesey	Vinni Lettieri	Jesper Fast

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Injured:

LD	RD
Brady Skjei	Kevin Shattenkirk
Marc Staal	Neal Pionk
Brendan Smith	Anthony DeAngelo

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Injured:

G
Henrik Lundqvist
Alexandar Georgiev

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

To be honest, your thoughts are way off base.

yes, as in outside the box

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Two words... Scott Darling

Don't worry. If he struggles, we can just turn the crease over to Mrazek.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Have you seen the Rangers defense? The Rangers have the advantage in net and that's it. The Canes have better depth the Rangers in every other position.

Rangers' defense under new coach is getting much better, it is no longer a disaster it was under AV.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

yes, as in outside the box

No, as in don't have a clue. But that's fine, nobody pays attention to the Canes except when they want to throw some shade so I get it.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

yes, as in outside the box

More like entirely wrong.

 

[TGWL]

no way in hell:

LW	C	RW
Chris Kreider	Mika Zibanejad	Pavel Buchnevich
Filip Chytil	Kevin Hayes	Mats Zuccarello
Ryan Spooner	Brett Howden	Vladislav Namestnikov
Jimmy Vesey	Vinni Lettieri	Jesper Fast

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Injured:

LD	RD
Brady Skjei	Kevin Shattenkirk
Marc Staal	Neal Pionk
Brendan Smith	Anthony DeAngelo

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Injured:

G
Henrik Lundqvist
Alexandar Georgiev

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

you think this is better than the Rangers' roster?:

LW	C	RW
Brock McGinn	Jordan Staal	Justin Williams
Valentin Zykov	Sebastian Aho	Teuvo Teräväinen
Michael Ferland	Martin Nečas	Andrei Svechnikov
Warren Foegele	Lucas Wallmark	Phillip Di Giuseppe

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Injured: Victor Rask

LD	RD
Jaccob Slavin	Brett Pesce
Calvin de Haan	Dougie Hamilton
Trevor van Riemsdyk	Justin Faulk

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Injured:

G
Scott Darling
Petr Mrázek

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Lets say everything not bold is a big bag of question marks at this point, although their question marks look a little more promising. Maybe our top 6 is better, but that defense alone makes them look better on paper for this season.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Lets say everything not bold is a big bag of question marks at this point, although their question marks look a little more promising. Maybe our top 6 is better, but that defense alone makes them look better on paper for this season.

Mostly agree, but McGinn is probably no longer a question mark. We know what we have with him, but the rest of your assessment on Carolina I agree with.

Unfortunately, I don't think our goalies are question marks, but in a bad way.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Rangers' defense under new coach is getting much better, it is no longer a disaster it was under AV.

And it's STILL a disaster, because they did next to nothing to improve it.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Lets say everything not bold is a big bag of question marks at this point, although their question marks look a little more promising. Maybe our top 6 is better, but that defense alone makes them look better on paper for this season.

Their D is pretty good, but ours is underrated. Our goaltending is way better, and likely coaching staff as well.

How is Spooner a question mark?

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

And it's STILL a disaster, because they did next to nothing to improve it.

New coach and system
Smith is back in shape
Staal looks like he is in much better shape
Shattenkirk is back healthy
Gilmour, Kampfer, and Sproul are gone
Pionk and ADA look great
and we added Claesson and McQuaid
and we got good prospects in AHL ready to get called up.

 

[NotOpie]

To me it isn’t worth having a worse team and missing the playoffs because we were looking for a perfect trade of guys of this caliber.

I'd definitely move a "painful" piece for Hayes if we knew we could sign him. He's a 2C/3C and that goes a long way on our roster. But I think it would be somebody like Bean or Fleury.

and we got good prospects in AHL ready to get called up.

Said every fan hoping their team would contend but secretly knowing they wouldn't....I can say this because "we've got good prospects in the AHL ready to get called up" too.

 

[GoldiFox]

Their D is pretty good, but ours is underrated. Our goaltending is way better, and likely coaching staff as well.

How is Spooner a question mark?

Slavin and Hamilton are significantly better than any D on NYR. Canes have a pair premium to NYR group.

1) Slavin-Pesce
2) Skjei-Shattenkirk = De Haan-Hamilton
3) Staal-Pionk = Fleury-Faulk
4) Smith-DeAngelo = Cajkovsky/Bean-TVR

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Slavin and Hamilton are significantly better than any D on NYR. Canes have a pair premium to NYR group.

1) Slavin-Pesce
2) Skjei-Shattenkirk = De Haan-Hamilton
3) Staal-Pionk = Fleury-Faulk
4) Smith-DeAngelo = Cajkovsky/Bean-TVR

With those goalies you definitely need a great defense. And that defense of yours isn't overly physical either especially Slavin, TvR and Pesce. I like my defense to be physical, not all about point production or some hype.

 

[NotOpie]

With those goalies you definitely need a great defense. And that defense of yours isn't overly physical either especially Slavin, TvR and Pesce. I like my defense to be physical, not all about point production or some hype.

In the end, we'll see which is better. I'm thinking even with out "goaltenders", our defense ends up superior to the NYRs.

 

[MinJaBen]

you think this is better than the Rangers' roster?:

LW	C	RW
Brock McGinn	Jordan Staal	Justin Williams
Valentin Zykov	Sebastian Aho	Teuvo Teräväinen
Michael Ferland	Martin Nečas	Andrei Svechnikov
Warren Foegele	Lucas Wallmark	Phillip Di Giuseppe

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Injured: Victor Rask

LD	RD
Jaccob Slavin	Brett Pesce
Calvin de Haan	Dougie Hamilton
Trevor van Riemsdyk	Justin Faulk

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Injured:

G
Scott Darling
Petr Mrázek

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Easy yes.

 

[One Winged Angel]

New coach and system
Smith is back in shape
Staal looks like he is in much better shape
Shattenkirk is back healthy
Gilmour, Kampfer, and Sproul are gone
Pionk and ADA look great
and we added Claesson and McQuaid
and we got good prospects in AHL ready to get called up.

So you're banking on Smith, who still doesn't look great, Staal, who doesn't look great, and Claesson and McQuaid... yikes.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

So you're banking on Smith, who still doesn't look great, Staal, who doesn't look great, and Claesson and McQuaid... yikes.

I am just saying the defense won't be a disaster like you are trying to make it seem like.

 

[One Winged Angel]

I am just saying the defense won't be a disaster like you are trying to make it seem like.

It was awful this past season and hasn't gotten any better and none of that is going to persuade anyone from thinking otherwise.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

It was awful this past season and hasn't gotten any better and none of that is going to persuade anyone from thinking otherwise.

whatever