Value of: Kevin Hayes to the Carolina Hurricanes

[SlapshotTheMovie]

Unless I am missing something (super possible) the hurricanes have center depth issues. Rask and Staal being the 1-2 but Rask is currently injured. Hayes can be a solid 2c or a monster 3c. Can play on the PK and PP. Also can move to the wing and just be a solid top 6 guy. Extremely hard to knock off the puck. Not the best skater but far from a liability. Also being 6'5 doesn't hurt.

Carolina interested? If so what you think is fair coming back? Rangers are very much at the start of a rebuild as i think Carolina is in bubble team teritory. Getting Svechnikov is massive in moving them closer to contending. Is my assessment of Carolina off? If not what would the fans be willing to part with as far as youth or picks? I would say the rangers could take on a bad contract but besides staal being a hair over paid i don't see one on the team.

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[Kakko Schmakko]

I think Namestnikov makes more sense for them so they could make a Russian line.

 

[SlapshotTheMovie]

I think Namestnikov makes more sense for them so they could make a Russian line.

He would be cheaper to get and definitely has value to that team. He is a 3rd line guy on his own but wont hold back top 6 guys if he is on a line with them. That means he can stay a cheap asset that also produces.

 

[spockBokk]

Outside of Justin Faulk, I don't see what CAR would give up for UFA Hayes. If they're really looking for a solution at C, I'd hope they'd use some of their assets for a player like Duchene.

Don't get me wrong, I think Hayes would be a good fit in CAR. I just don't see CAR giving up anything like NYR may be looking for, outside of Faulk...

 

[tarheelhockey]

I would think they'd have their eye on him, given the circumstances for both teams.

The common sense trade piece for the Canes would be an RHD, as they have Hamilton-Faulk-Pesce-TVR down the right side with Roland McKeown looking close to NHL-ready now and Luke Martin coming up through the system in the next couple of years. Just too much of a logjam for that to continue forever, so this would be the time to think about moving one of them. Faulk is probably the highest-impact player they would look to move, but a rebuilding team might think about a McKeown or Martin as a longer term asset.

As far as draft picks, it's kind of hard to gauge how close the Canes are to moving them. We aren't in a "window" yet, so I'd think they would want to hang onto their 1sts for the time being. That said, we do have Buffalo's 2nd from the Skinner trade, and their 3rd in the next draft. So there is some freedom to wiggle on upper-round picks without completely missing out on rounds.

 

[SlapshotTheMovie]

Outside of Justin Faulk, I don't see what CAR would give up for UFA Hayes. If they're really looking for a solution at C, I'd hope they'd use some of their assets for a player like Duchene.

Don't get me wrong, I think Hayes would be a good fit in CAR. I just don't see CAR giving up anything like NYR may be looking for, outside of Faulk...

Faulk is great but i don't think thats what they would be interested in as far as a return goes. Also i don't think Hayes can get Faulk in a 1 for 1. Rangers would have to add and thats not going to happen. They would be looking for picks or prospects that are 1-2 years away from NHL ready.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Faulk is great but i don't think thats what they would be interested in as far as a return goes. Also i don't think Hayes can get Faulk in a 1 for 1. Rangers would have to add and thats not going to happen. They would be looking for picks or prospects that are 1-2 years away from NHL ready.

Rangers need to unload Dmen, not to trade for 1.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Namestnikov is what they need, but I really doubt they make the playoffs with or without him. it would only cost 2nd rounder in 1 year and 4th rounder in another.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I would think they'd have their eye on him, given the circumstances for both teams.

The common sense trade piece for the Canes would be an RHD, as they have Hamilton-Faulk-Pesce-TVR down the right side with Roland McKeown looking close to NHL-ready now and Luke Martin coming up through the system in the next couple of years. Just too much of a logjam for that to continue forever, so this would be the time to think about moving one of them. Faulk is probably the highest-impact player they would look to move, but a rebuilding team might think about a McKeown or Martin as a longer term asset.

As far as draft picks, it's kind of hard to gauge how close the Canes are to moving them. We aren't in a "window" yet, so I'd think they would want to hang onto their 1sts for the time being. That said, we do have Buffalo's 2nd from the Skinner trade, and their 3rd in the next draft. So there is some freedom to wiggle on upper-round picks without completely missing out on rounds.

Don’t forget about Fox. I always do.

 

[SlapshotTheMovie]

Namestnikov is what they need, but I really doubt they make the playoffs with or without him. it would only cost 2nd rounder in 1 year and 4th rounder in another.

I don't disagree with either point your making. I think with the improvments they made they are closer to a playoff spot then most think but Vlad doesn't push that much. Hayes i think could and why i thought their might be a match. Getting Hayes without losing a roster player is a pretty decent get.

 

[TGWL]

Unless I am missing something (super possible) the hurricanes have center depth issues. Rask and Staal being the 1-2 but Rask is currently injured. Hayes can be a solid 2c or a monster 3c. Can play on the PK and PP. Also can move to the wing and just be a solid top 6 guy. Extremely hard to knock off the puck. Not the best skater but far from a liability. Also being 6'5 doesn't hurt.

Carolina interested? If so what you think is fair coming back? Rangers are very much at the start of a rebuild as i think Carolina is in bubble team teritory. Getting Svechnikov is massive in moving them closer to contending. Is my assessment of Carolina off? If not what would the fans be willing to part with as far as youth or picks? I would say the rangers could take on a bad contract but besides staal being a hair over paid i don't see one on the team.

I'm sure Carolina is interested. I'm not so sure Carolina is interested in parting with anything we want for him, being that he's signed 1 year.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Don’t forget about Fox. I always do.

Dang it, I forget Fox too. He might actually be a better asset than McKeown or Martin, depending on what the other side is looking for in terms of style and upside.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

I don't disagree with either point your making. I think with the improvments they made they are closer to a playoff spot then most think but Vlad doesn't push that much. Hayes i think could and why i thought their might be a match. Getting Hayes without losing a roster player is a pretty decent get.

I don't think Hayes is enough to get them to the playoffs either. They are counting too much on unproven rookies, that rarely works out.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I'm sure Carolina is interested. I'm not so sure Carolina is interested in parting with anything we want for him, being that he's signed 1 year.

What would you want for him? Obviously we're not giving up a top-line player or top-pair defenseman, but Faulk is a middle-pair guy in a similar contract situation and we're talking about some pretty solid prospects above (not long shots or unknown quantities).

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Dang it, I forget Fox too. He might actually be a better asset than McKeown or Martin, depending on what the other side is looking for in terms of style and upside.

He’s the most interesting factor to this whole thing. If this logjam still exists into next offseason, if you’re Fox, are you signing in Carolina? I’m not.

It almost makes me think two of them might have to go. Common opinion seems to be that Fox is a borderline NHLer as soon as he signs. Now you’ve got 5 NHL caliber RHDs, and still the other two in McKeown and Martin.

Most teams would love that depth, but the Canes aren’t most teams. None of their NHL dmen are over 27. So while most teams would use that depth to “reload” from within, we have nothing to reload unless we artificially create that space with trades and the like.

Pending a career ending injury or two, this won’t go away until a trade is made. Which is kind of exciting if you’re the Canes.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Outside of Justin Faulk, I don't see what CAR would give up for UFA Hayes. If they're really looking for a solution at C, I'd hope they'd use some of their assets for a player like Duchene.

Don't get me wrong, I think Hayes would be a good fit in CAR. I just don't see CAR giving up anything like NYR may be looking for, outside of Faulk...

Not sure the Rangers would want Faulk in a trade for Hayes.

 

[TGWL]

What would you want for him? Obviously we're not giving up a top-line player or top-pair defenseman, but Faulk is a middle-pair guy in a similar contract situation and we're talking about some pretty solid prospects above (not long shots or unknown quantities).

I'm assuming none of Fox, Foegele, Zykov are available. We're basically looking at the first round pick and calling it a day, but if Canes find themselves outside of the top 20, that doesn't make sense for them.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I'm assuming none of Fox, Foegele, Zykov are available. We're basically looking at the first round pick and calling it a day, but if Canes fine themselves outside of the top 20, that doesn't make sense for them.

TBH I'd think any of those three could be available for a middle-6 center. As much as we like what Foegele and Zykov have brought to the lineup (namely a disruptive presence while still being able to score, which is something we rarely have) we still really, but really need someone to step into the middle.

As noted by AD, it might be in our better interests to move Fox rather than lose him in the logjam. He was one of the guys we got in the Hanifin/Lindholm deal, so it would hurt to see him just walk away. If there's space for him in the Rangers system it would probably be a strong fit regardless what else goes into the trade.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I don't think Hayes is enough to get them to the playoffs either. They are counting too much on unproven rookies, that rarely works out.

the 15/16 Leafs had 7-8 unproven rookies and made the playoffs. Last year's Devil's had 3-4 unproven rookies and made the playoffs. Not saying the Canes will make it, but there are many recent examples of that happening.

 

[Kupo]

Faulk is 26 years old and has two years left on his contract. If the Rangers move Hayes, it'll be for a younger player with more term. Or picks/prospects.

Rangers RHD chart:

Shattenkirk
Pionk
DeAngelo
McQuaid
*Smith

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Yeah, Faulk makes no sense for a team that isn't competing, or at least close to it, given his contract situation.

 

[Cane mutiny]

TBH I'd think any of those three could be available for a middle-6 center. As much as we like what Foegele and Zykov have brought to the lineup (namely a disruptive presence while still being able to score, which is something we rarely have) we still really, but really need someone to step into the middle.

As noted by AD, it might be in our better interests to move Fox rather than lose him in the logjam. He was one of the guys we got in the Hanifin/Lindholm deal, so it would hurt to see him just walk away. If there's space for him in the Rangers system it would probably be a strong fit regardless what else goes into the trade.

I would not want to lose a good young forward like Zykov or Foegele for one year of a middle 6 centerman. We've been short on scoring forwards for a good #of years now. I'd rather deal a young D and picks for a center with some contract years left. We've got plenty of young D. We don't have as many young ready forwards to spare.

 

[spockBokk]

Faulk is the most expendable piece on the blueline for the moment, so he's the obvious choice to be included in any deal for a scoring forward. But, like has already been said, he's not really appealing to rebuilding teams and his performance last season doesn't really make him that appealing to contending teams with pieces CAR might be interested in.

At some point this season, CAR almost has to make a D for Fwd trade, roster or prospect. I'm just not sure what that looks like for a UFA-to-be Fwd like Hayes. Mckeown plus a 3rd or whatever sounds great for CAR, but I doubt it does for NYR. And, there's not a chance NYR gets a 1st from CAR for Hayes with only a year left on his deal.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I would not want to lose a good young forward like Zykov or Foegele for one year of a middle 6 centerman. We've been short on scoring forwards for a good #of years now. I'd rather deal a young D and picks for a center with some contract years left. We've got plenty of young D. We don't have as many young ready forwards to spare.

Presumably we’re not just going to watch Hayes walk away after trading to acquire him. The idea would be to trade for him in order to sign him to his next contract.

I agree that trading a D works better for us, but beggars can’t be choosers and we are begging for Cs. Hayes is one of the few on the market who is likely to be moved. He’s good for 20 goals, which is the upper end of what we’d be likely to get from Foegele or Zykov, and he plays a position we need badly. To me it isn’t worth having a worse team and missing the playoffs because we were looking for a perfect trade of guys of this caliber.

 

[Kupo]

Presumably we’re not just going to watch Hayes walk away after trading to acquire him. The idea would be to trade for him in order to sign him to his next contract.

I agree that trading a D works better for us, but beggars can’t be choosers and we are begging for Cs. Hayes is one of the few on the market who is likely to be moved. He’s good for 20 goals, which is the upper end of what we’d be likely to get from Foegele or Zykov, and he plays a position we need badly. To me it isn’t worth having a worse team and missing the playoffs because we were looking for a perfect trade of guys of this caliber.

If Hayes is moved I think it’ll be after Jan 1st. Inquiring teams would be able to sign him to an extension.

Too much of a gamble for teams to trade for him now seeing that he could walk after the season.