Value of: Kessel to the Coyotes

[rt]

Replace Goligoski with Kessel.

Don’t be dramatic. Nobody has suggested Kessel is a null value dump.

 

[rt]

1st + Crouse for Kessel?

Not a chance.

 

[Grimes]

What should be interesting to see is whether Nashville calls the Penguins about Kessel. They just lost in the 1st round in large part due to a terrible powerplay, and Kessel has QBed the Penguins powerplay to the league's 2nd best PP in the last 3 years (6th this year, 1st last year and 3rd in 2016-2017 with an injured Letang). I would be surprised for the Predators to be unwilling to offer Tolvanen for Kessel, based on rumors of Tolvanen being offered to Ottawa for Duchene at the deadline, and you can come up with quite a few appealing packages with Tolvanen included. My favorite would be Smith and Tolvanen for Kessel, which is both a realistic and good trade for both teams.

That's probably better than anything Arizona would realistically offer, because the equivalent package would probably be Panik and pick #14. I'd still take the Predators package over that because I'd rather have a guy further along in his development over a higher pick this year.

Yep, with some teams falling out earlier than expected in the playoffs I think the market for Kessel has increased. Nashville makes a lot of sense, especially if they move PK and have more flexibility. I don't see why they wouldn't be on Kessel's list but that is a factor.

The teams I think who could offer a more attractive package than AZ and are most likely on his list are Minnesota (something around Zucker) or Nashville (futures). AZ's leverage is the trade pieces likely don't affect Pittsburgh's cap, which allows them to explore options in UFA or trade, Nashville may be able to out a futures package together that is just as attractive.

 

[Extra Texture]

Yeah, the potential market for 81 has definitely taken a turn in the last week. Arizona is a natural/coaching fit, Nashville a long rumored destination, and I honestly think Calgary could do with the scoring punch they didnt get with Neal.

All three teams have good assets on D, the capspace to easily take 6.8M (and the 70-80 points that will come with it) assuming its via trade, and all of them would be great spots for Phil, IMO. Spots where he can stay out of the media spotlight, drive his own line, be a top PP guy, and give every team an explosive offensive asset they didnt have before.

 

[Bazeek]

Yep, with some teams falling out earlier than expected in the playoffs I think the market for Kessel has increased. Nashville makes a lot of sense, especially if they move PK and have more flexibility. I don't see why they wouldn't be on Kessel's list but that is a factor.

The teams I think who could offer a more attractive package than AZ and are most likely on his list are Minnesota (something around Zucker) or Nashville (futures). AZ's leverage is the trade pieces likely don't affect Pittsburgh's cap, which allows them to explore options in UFA or trade, Nashville may be able to out a futures package together that is just as attractive.

Not sure how Coyotes fans feel about it, but I think I'd rather deal with Arizona when it comes to Zucker.

 

[Jacob]

Not a chance.

Please?

 

[rt]

Please?

 

[rt]

Not sure how Coyotes fans feel about it, but I think I'd rather deal with Arizona when it comes to Zucker.

To ARI
Jason Zucker
Kyle Rau

To MIN
Christian Fischer
Kevin Connauton
ARI '19 2nd
ARI '20 3rd

 

[Bazeek]

To ARI
Jason Zucker
Kyle Rau

To MIN
Christian Fischer
Kevin Connauton
ARI '19 2nd
ARI '20 3rd

Is Connauton just there for salary purposes? Doesn't make much difference to me; I assume he'd end up in Iowa.

 

[rt]

Is Connauton just there for salary purposes? Doesn't make much difference to me; I assume he'd end up in Iowa.

Yes. Salary. Rau is there to balance contracts.

That said, KConn did have a great year in 2017-2018. He had 10 goals, and played both LD and RD, up and down the blueline, and was a specialty teams back-up. He might surprise you. If not, most of his cap-hit can definitely be buried in Iowa.

 

[Schemp]

Cousins, Fischer, and switch 1sts
For
Kessel

 

[illpucks]

Why would they want Kessel? He's not new player anymore. I think the player they really want is Matthews. It would take an overpayment but it's possible as that's where Matthews is from and he would play there.

 

[Toby Flenderson]

Cousins, Fischer, and switch 1sts
For
Kessel

Lol not likely

 

[greasysnapper]

Why would they want Kessel? He's not new player anymore. I think the player they really want is Matthews. It would take an overpayment but it's possible as that's where Matthews is from and he would play there.

I mean even if it's a pie in the sky idea, going after Matthews as a RFA offer sheet has to be priority 1 for them until he signs one way or the other.

That being said, the Coyotes don't actually have a ton of cap space to play around with here, so if it wasn't something like a Matthews, I can't imagine them going after Kessel.

 

[SEALBound]

Cousins, Fischer, and switch 1sts
For
Kessel

Chance Cousins to Crouse, we toss in Simon.

 

[Freedom]

Yep, with some teams falling out earlier than expected in the playoffs I think the market for Kessel has increased. Nashville makes a lot of sense, especially if they move PK and have more flexibility. I don't see why they wouldn't be on Kessel's list but that is a factor.

The teams I think who could offer a more attractive package than AZ and are most likely on his list are Minnesota (something around Zucker) or Nashville (futures). AZ's leverage is the trade pieces likely don't affect Pittsburgh's cap, which allows them to explore options in UFA or trade, Nashville may be able to out a futures package together that is just as attractive.

I agree with you but think that if there will be Kessel's trade between PIT and Nashville, roster Defenseman will go to PIT.

 

[Heldig]

Chance Cousins to Crouse, we toss in Simon.

Crouse is a unique player on their roster. The Coyotes need his size and aggressiveness. He is 21 and just starting to play to his potential. Not available.

 

[Trade]

Crouse is a unique player on their roster. The Coyotes need his size and aggressiveness. He is 21 and just starting to play to his potential. Not available.

Kessel would be 1,000 times more unique in comparison to the rest of the roster than Crouse, but I get your sentiment.

Is that a standpoint that exists from within the organization as well?

 

[domaug]

doesn't seem worth it to discuss any deal with Arizona fans. they only want to give up one or two picks for a PPG winger.

 

[SEALBound]

Crouse is a unique player on their roster. The Coyotes need his size and aggressiveness. He is 21 and just starting to play to his potential. Not available.

I know...thats why I want him.

 

[66-30-33]

doesn't seem worth it to discuss any deal with Arizona fans. they only want to give up one or two picks for a PPG winger.

Let's just take their headcoach instead.

 

[Schemp]

doesn't seem worth it to discuss any deal with Arizona fans. they only want to give up one or two picks for a PPG winger.

With a NMC. PK has the final say.
Pens don't have any leverage. And with the expansion draft coming up and most teams wanting to get younger. Slim pickings.

 

[FinnishCoyote]

doesn't seem worth it to discuss any deal with Arizona fans. they only want to give up one or two picks for a PPG winger.

Yeah, we aren't super interested in him, but if he comes cheap, why not? When we haven't even made playoffs yet, there is no point to sacrifice our future by tearing down our young core or give up our all high picks for 32 year old winger

 

[domaug]

With a NMC. PK has the final say.
Pens don't have any leverage. And with the expansion draft coming up and most teams wanting to get younger. Slim pickings.

even given all that, he's worth more than the crud a lot of Coyotes fans have proposed for him.

 

[Empoleon8771]

With a NMC. PK has the final say.
Pens don't have any leverage. And with the expansion draft coming up and most teams wanting to get younger. Slim pickings.

Yes they do? They can keep him. Who is saying they have to trade him? Kessel also doesn't have a full NTC.