Confirmed with Link: Kessel and a 4th to Arizona for Galchenyuk and PO Joseph

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  1. BlindWillyMcHurt

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    There is a lot of truth to what you say and imply. Last year wasn't Kessel's fault and those who are trying to frame it that way are simply changing the story to suit their narrative... with a nice side of "I can feel better about this now that he's gone." He wasn't even the worst individual problem player. I'll give you one guess who that was. But he sure wasn't helping a lot of the time, either. And most importantly it was frustrating Malkin (more specifically Sully and Kessel's nonstop battles) to far past the point of distraction.

    I'm not as enthusiastic about getting rid of Kessel as some. But in many ways it's getting rid of the idea of Kessel that bugs me. It's getting rid of an elite offensive talent the other team has to account for and replacing him with a bunch of question marks and 3rd/4th liners that bothers me. Kessel himself by the end of last year had basically already saw himself out the door and for a multitude of reasons simply could not return. There was too much damage done on both sides. Too much toxicity.

    As for AG... we'll just have to see. I have never been a fan and frankly don't see much there but he has some attributes that Malkin could possibly tease the absolute best case scenario out of.
     
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    Well, at the end of the day Phil is Phil. JR knew what he was getting and everyone knew Phils reputation. I think everyone knew he was going to wear out his welcome but to be honest, I didnt think it was going to be after an 80 point season. We've seen a few years of the Geno/Phil bickering now but they seem to get it done in the past. I just dont know how much musical chairs you can play within the Penguins lineup until theres just not much framework left. Like we already both said, they traded away an 80 point guy and didnt get one back. Hopefully in a couple months theyre not looking for another Phil Kessel to replace Phil Kessel.
     
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    There is something to be said for fit, honestly. For all of their points, Malkin and Phil were really not a terrific fit together. They were both just immensely talented and that tends to push through the bull****. I know Malkin is now in the latter stage of his career but I have seen so many times in the past where he has taken linemates he simply clicks with and makes it work to glorious effect. Gooch has some attributes that could mesh extremely well with Malkin as do a handful of other options available. You are right that you cannot simply replace that 80odd points by snapping your fingers but if you can get a much more effective Malkin then it's an easy tradeoff to make because that dude literally makes it happen on his own when he is clicking... even these days.

    All that said, I'm not nearly as bullish about this forward group as many of my fellow Pens fans and think that more support will be needed. They spent too much time and money on similar depth players to my eyes. Almost like a quantity over quality thing. It's an interesting gamble but not one that I think will completely work, at least so far as Malkin and the second line are concerned. There's also the matter of the garbage pail defense.
     
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    If Kessel's play outside of his points is so bad that it pushes Malkin to want to be traded if Kessel stayed, I genuinely have no clue how you can say this. Kessel was so bad outside of his point production that Malkin basically said "if he's still here, I don't want to be here". You need to look beyond the points, because there's something clearly there that is rotten.

    But thank you for your concern about Kessel and how Galchenyuk is going to be a disappointment. This will be a good post to bump as Galchenyuk is putting up 30 goals on Malkin's wing.
     
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    Did you read the article at all? Malkin himself seemed like he was in a terrible headspace. Its pretty easy to hate everyone around you when youre an *******.
     
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    1. JR knew what he was getting into with Phil.

    2. JR got what he wanted out of Phil. :stanley::stanley:

    3. JR's mistake in all of this was not moving Phil a year earlier (and there definitely was a group pushing for that).
     
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    Not sure the return for Phil would have been any better last year. We basically offered him for Domi + if I’m not mistaken.
     
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    Kessel won two cups here as a bigger contributor than Jagr in both. We will love him, but he was always a temporary solution here.

    Not sure what you mean by AG being a disappointment. If he is a 40-50 pt guy as he has been throughout his career we needed one. If he connects he could be great for us.
     
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    If he scores 50+ we are a better team overall imo as much as i love kessel in general
     
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    There's a huge multiplicity of views, which can be roughly broken down as follows

    1) Kessel's tendency to get on people's nerves due to lack of effort/being very individualistic punched his ticket out of here and that's probably fair enough, but that does leave a big hole in offence that's probably not getting filled easily

    2) Kessel's tendency to get on people's nerves due to lack of effort/being very individualistic punched his ticket out of here and that's probably fair enough, and when you look at the advanced stats for Geno and him as a line, maybe it won't be that difficult to replace his impact on the ice

    3) Kessel's tendency to get on people's nerves due to lack of effort/being very individualistic should have been worked around because him moving left a big hole in offence and that was more important.

    1 and 2 are roughly equal in popularity around here, with 1 maybe a bit ahead of 2. 3 is something of a minority view and I think one that got a bit more minority, as its generally a view espoused by those who place a big emphasis on individual star power and if both Crosby and Malkin didn't want to play with him 5v5, that actually leaves Kessel on the wrong end of individual star power.

    Me, I'm in Group 2 and have been in favour of a Kessel trade for a solid year now. I think this has been coming and that it would have been smarter to move on before it reached this point. Do I think that and last year's Kessel's fault exclusively that it did? No, absolutely not, but I think that in terms of fixing it moving Kessel pretty much had to be done as he wasn't changing. Do I think the Pens will miss him? I'm honestly not sure but I prefer this gamble to that of keeping Kessel and think the potential is there for a very successful few season if a few questions break right for the Pens.
     
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    I think if the drama goes away we are a better team period.
     
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    Everyone magnified the Malkin/Kessel thing.

    What about the 2nd line having to play with a horrid 2nd pair defensive unit all season!? I would stop skating too if there is s 0% chance the D-man can make an outlet pass.

    Malkin will play better. Get him some defensemen that can skate and make passes. Then you will see a dramatic improvement.

    It’s not all on Malkin. Get some freakin decent defensemen.

    Also, Sid shouldn’t get special treatment and play with Tanger all season. They just leave Malkin to die alone.
     
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    They never really pushed it, but I think they'd have done better . . . remember Phil was coming off a 92 point season last summer and was just one year removed from the 2nd cup.
     
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    or just get rid of one.:naughty:
     
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    Not about getting special treatment. Hes on the first line facing opposing first lines. So the top D pairing is what he should have.

    Unless u want Dumo/Letang split up
     
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    I find it hilarious when people claim someone is going to be a disappointment when they have absolutely no idea how someone is going to slot into a lineup. Tanev and Galchenyuk are both doomed according to multiple people here.

    I think Galchenyuk's game matches really well with Geno's. He will greatly benefit from Geno's E-W style. Galchenyuk has skill and size. His shot is downright lethal. Knock his skating, his desire, or his defense, but the dude can absolutely rip a puck. I'm excited to see him with Sid or Geno.

    I am going to guarantee that Tanev becomes a fan favorite here. Hate his contract...the player is good. He always stood out when I watched Winnipeg games.
     
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