Ken Holland's Remarks about the off-season
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Frk It
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Have to figure based on Holland's comments they will target Boyle and Niskanen in free agency. I'm sure we will kick the tires on both.
Will predict they will go with a bargain pick-up like Zidlicky, after conplaining about the price being too high for Boyle and Niskanen.
Which top 4 RH D (Holland's criteria) could be had via trade? Any ideas?
Will predict they will go with a bargain pick-up like Zidlicky, after conplaining about the price being too high for Boyle and Niskanen.
Which top 4 RH D (Holland's criteria) could be had via trade? Any ideas?
Frk It
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There would be some growing pains, but kids an enormous talent.
Wouldn't be that surprised. I think Marchenko is a safer option, and still provides the size and RH shot.
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hyduK
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What Ken Holland is saying for the offseason
http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2014/04/red_wings_have_a_long_way_to_g.html
“We need more scoring, but lots of teams need that,” Holland said. “Lots of teams are looking for a right-handed shooting defenseman. If we can find a top-four right-handed shooting defenseman by trade or free agency, we’d certainly like to add one.”
If Daniel Alfredsson opts to play another season, the Red Wings would consider bringing him back. David Legwand, who didn’t have much of an impact and finished the playoffs on the fourth line, probably won’t be re-signed. Defenseman Kyle Quincey also is unlikely to return, possibly replaced by young Xavier Ouellet
http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2014/04/red_wings_have_a_long_way_to_g.html
“We need more scoring, but lots of teams need that,” Holland said. “Lots of teams are looking for a right-handed shooting defenseman. If we can find a top-four right-handed shooting defenseman by trade or free agency, we’d certainly like to add one.”
If Daniel Alfredsson opts to play another season, the Red Wings would consider bringing him back. David Legwand, who didn’t have much of an impact and finished the playoffs on the fourth line, probably won’t be re-signed. Defenseman Kyle Quincey also is unlikely to return, possibly replaced by young Xavier Ouellet
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Well, what a waste both of those trades were. I'm fine with Holland as the GM as he sets the tone for the rest of the FO but he really shouldn't be allowed to make any trades.
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Babcock has previously said he wants three right handed defenseman. That's just not going to happen next season. With Oullet being the most likely rookie to start for the Wings in October, there will only be room for one right handed defenseman. Hopefully our top 2 savior. Sproul is right-handed, but since our middle-range defensemen are solid (Ericsson, Smith, DeKeyser), I don't see room for him this season.
Holland's going to have to make some tough choices this year and next. Do you trade your prospects who you have no room for, or do you load up on them like we did this year and inevitably struggle?
Holland's going to have to make some tough choices this year and next. Do you trade your prospects who you have no room for, or do you load up on them like we did this year and inevitably struggle?
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http://www.detroitnews.com/article/...ure-promising-Red-Wings-need-aggressive-moves
The future is obviously here, so it's time to make some bold moves. While patience has paid off in many respects, we can see the players getting antsy as well.
The future is obviously here, so it's time to make some bold moves. While patience has paid off in many respects, we can see the players getting antsy as well.
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The list of realistic targets isn't all that sexy. Guys who all come with a downside to some degree, of course. But it's always hard to say who is on the trade market if you cough up some good assets.
I still say they should swing for the fences on a guy like Mike Green. Or hey, Dustin Byfuglien. Get some scoring from the blueline and another guy that can crunch bigger minutes to help out Kronwall. I know both of those guys have their warts, but the offense they generate is pretty undeniable.
So, they might re-sign Gus. Other than that, everyone walks.
In terms of external acquisitions, the priorities are to upgrade on Quincey and Alfredsson in the top 4 D and top 6 F, respectively. It sounds like they will also have a battle among the 4 young D prospects and the winner gets the #6 D spot. I'm guessing that Kindl is shopped and eventually traded.
I think they make Tatar a permanent top 6 forward next year. So, top 6 for the majority of the season (lines will inevitably be juggled a lot) are Z, D, Franzen, Nyquist, Tatar and their big forward acquisition. Weiss, Jurco and Sheahan could form a quality 3rd scoring line and then Helm and Abdelkader are staples on a grind line with either Glendening or Miller rotating in. Maybe Mantha is a phenom and pushes his way into the top 9 at some point, as well.
Kronwall, Ericsson, DD and Smith are quality defenseman but they need a lot more depth. Next year, the young D prospects will probably have a similar year to what the forwards did this year and that will help a lot. They are going to add a vet top 4 D, as well. I'm guessing Boyle will be a top target.
With all of that, I still think they'd be a player or two short, but they also can't hamstring themselves in years to come with bad contracts when they need to re-sign all these young guys. So, there is a balancing act there. Get 2 big upgrades on D and at forward, hopefully get Z, D, Franzen, Weiss and Helm healthy and get a lot of internal growth from all the young players and see what happens.
In terms of external acquisitions, the priorities are to upgrade on Quincey and Alfredsson in the top 4 D and top 6 F, respectively. It sounds like they will also have a battle among the 4 young D prospects and the winner gets the #6 D spot. I'm guessing that Kindl is shopped and eventually traded.
I think they make Tatar a permanent top 6 forward next year. So, top 6 for the majority of the season (lines will inevitably be juggled a lot) are Z, D, Franzen, Nyquist, Tatar and their big forward acquisition. Weiss, Jurco and Sheahan could form a quality 3rd scoring line and then Helm and Abdelkader are staples on a grind line with either Glendening or Miller rotating in. Maybe Mantha is a phenom and pushes his way into the top 9 at some point, as well.
Kronwall, Ericsson, DD and Smith are quality defenseman but they need a lot more depth. Next year, the young D prospects will probably have a similar year to what the forwards did this year and that will help a lot. They are going to add a vet top 4 D, as well. I'm guessing Boyle will be a top target.
With all of that, I still think they'd be a player or two short, but they also can't hamstring themselves in years to come with bad contracts when they need to re-sign all these young guys. So, there is a balancing act there. Get 2 big upgrades on D and at forward, hopefully get Z, D, Franzen, Weiss and Helm healthy and get a lot of internal growth from all the young players and see what happens.
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There's a shocker. In other words, Hank and Datsyuk are sick of carrying the load.
As for defenseman, there are several options. The question is whether Holland is going to balk at prices for the umpteenth time or get creative. I would say he'll pull the same old conservative crap, but he's probably feeling a little bit of pressure right now.
Something to keep in mind though is that Dekeyser is a UFA in 3 years, so his upcoming contract will probably be 2 years. Or at least it should be. It would be a terrible to have his "bridge deal" expire the year he can hit free agency. So a stop-gap for 2 years would make a lot of sense.
As for the trade route, some ideas are Byfuglien (would really help our PP in more ways than one), Wideman (desperation move), Green (risky move), Bieksa (probably wouldn't waive his NTC), Schultz (only because Edmonton management fails), and Subban/Krug (would probably require offer sheets).
Must be really frustrating for Z and Dats. This team could have contended the last 2 years with smarter decisions. Their GM is effectively willing to lose their final years in hopes of grooming the next generation.
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Which is beyond stupid since we have 0 impact centers in our system. Hell, its questionable whether we have a bona fide 2nd line center in our system. Sheahan will have to show us a little more.
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I'm pretty worried about what happens to our plethora of D prospects if we sign a UFA to a 2+ year contract. If we sign Niskanen long term we risk getting our D prospects poached for nothing when they run out of options and we have no roster space for them. I think I would rather try to swing a trade for a more proven Dman than Niskanen (has only had 1 good year) involving one of our D prospects+. I can deal with Boyle for 1 year if it means we see 2 of Sproul/Ouellet/Marchenko the year after. I'd actually prefer if we promote both Marchenko and Ouellet next year and sign nobody new.
We almost have too many D prospects for GR right now as it is:
Ouellet - Sproul
Backman - Marchenko
Almquist - Jensen
Something has to give considering only 2-3 will be able to play long term in our core of Kronwall, Smith, Dekeyser, Ericsson.
We almost have too many D prospects for GR right now as it is:
Ouellet - Sproul
Backman - Marchenko
Almquist - Jensen
Something has to give considering only 2-3 will be able to play long term in our core of Kronwall, Smith, Dekeyser, Ericsson.
Frk It
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Wow, weird to see this argument.
Since I've viewed/commented on this board it's always been the opposite.
Not saying I agree or disagree, just weird.
How does that not prove my point? You don't have, and you have lots of cap space (pre-Cleary and Sam and Bert signings) and you don't do anything.
How so? Stockpiling young assets and grooming them with sprinkles of NHL games and lots of AHL experience, while not addressing scoring and D needs. I'm all for the AHL experience, but not at the neglect of the NHL needs.
InjuredChoker
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Many people have complained the veteran signings and trades that have blocked the kids have stunted their growth at the expense of Holland's delusions that the team could win.
You're saying the opposite. For the record, I have no dog in this fight, just clarifying.
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