People that are Pro Holland don't typically come out in droves in an ultra aggressive manner. If someone posted "Every move Holland has made over the past 5 years has been genius, its not his fault fans are idiots" I would 100% call them out. I find there are three types of takes when it comes to Holland , there are people that simply defend anything Holland does which truthfully is just a tiny handful of posters. There are people who take look at every move individually and praise when he does good, but criticize when he does bad. (this is how I choose to look at it). Then there are people that have so much hate/anger towards Holland that they will take everything to the extreme. We all know who they are, just look for the ******* which is a clear sign of an emotional post. I also find that those who hate Holland tend to twist what other posters say around on them which also is grounds for being called out IMO. For example, and it happened to me earlier. I flat out said that Abby's contract was a bad one, but that I didn't think it was "mortgaging our future". Unfortunately on here, if you don call Holland "A ****ing idiot" you are accused of defending him. I will say Abby's contract was a bad deal, I wont say "Its the worst move ever and is going to cripple us!!!! Holland's an idiot!!!!!" Tell me this; If its ridiculous in your mind to assume Holland will be successful with a re-build due to his great run from '98-'11, is it not just as ridiculous to assume he is destined for failure based on his poor run from '12-'17? I think this is clear, Holland is great at keeping a great team together when he has a strong core, he re-build on the fly once successful (granted having a franchise D-man in his prime was a HUGE help), and he re-build on he fly once miserably. How will he fair in a real re-build? I don't know. We have never seen Ken Holland in full re-build mode before, so all I can go off of is what he has done since the streak ended, and based on the moves he has made since then (which I have liked outside of Daley) I do think he can do it. Even the Mrazek trade, at the time I didnt like it, but I can now admit I was wrong about that. As far as Sheahan goes, we all saw what he did here, what he is doing on Pittsburgh on a loaded roster is irrelevant to me. I was fine with a 3rd for him because I believe that had we waited his value would have kept getting lower and lower and lower. It was time to move on. With this roster, if other teams have interest in any of our players that are not named Larkin or Mantha, or are not top prospects of ours in the AHL/CHL etc. I'm fine with moving them if the return is worth it. I don't subscribe to the theory "I wont trade Sheahan because Helm should go first". Of course I would have preferred to move a Helm instead, but we aren't moving Helm for a 3rd due to Holland's past mistake of a bad contract. I will await your rant about how I am idiot/apologist etc.