Youtube: Keegan Lowe v. Vincent Lecavalier (Two Fights for the Price of One!)

[jetsv2]

Nothing wrong with either fight.

Except that Vinny had his gloves off and was throwing punches before Lowe even had a chance to drop the gloves in the second fight. He was embarrassed that he got beat up by a rookie and then decided to embarrass himself further by jumping Lowe.

 

[Stephen]

Except that Vinny had his gloves off and was throwing punches before Lowe even had a chance to drop the gloves in the second fight. He was embarrassed that he got beat up by a rookie and then decided to embarrass himself further by jumping Lowe.

I don't really mind that. If Keegan Lowe can dish it out he can defend himself. Not too worried about his rookie status.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Yeah, if anyone broke the "code" here, it was Lecavalier. He jumped Lowe in the second fight and started throwing punches before the other player could drop the gloves.

 

[DannyMac]

You guys are all clueless. Yes there is a code, like it or not, it exists. You don't go after a guy like Vinny in a meaningless game. The rest of the NHL is watching, good luck little Lowe, you'll need it.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

You guys are all clueless. Yes there is a code, like it or not, it exists. You don't go after a guy like Vinny in a meaningless game. The rest of the NHL is watching, good luck little Lowe, you'll need it.

So once again, you expect opposing players to "respect" Lecavalier because he's a veteran? Does that work for any player? What's the age cutoff before they get a free pass?

More importantly, does being a veteran allow Lecavalier to break the code himself and jump a rookie?

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Vinny has paid his dues. Didn't really expect him to ambush Lowe in the 2nd fight, but Lowe picked the first one with those cross checks and he dropped the gloves quickly. Old time hockey.

 

[DannyMac]

So once again, you expect opposing players to "respect" Lecavalier because he's a veteran? Does that work for any player? What's the age cutoff before they get a free pass?

More importantly, does being a veteran allow Lecavalier to break the code himself and jump a rookie?

Highest level of hockey you've played or coached? Just curious...

 

[4thline]

Clearly tit for tat. Lowe dropped first and started throwing in the first, Vinny decided to show him that that's not a very nice thing to do

Two differences
1st they were squared up,
1st Vinny proceeded with the fight even though Lowe got the drop on him.

To be fair that's a just a rookie move by Lowe, not breaking the code. Hopped up on adrenaline.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Clearly tit for tat. Lowe dropped first and started throwing in the first, Vinny decided to show him that that's not a very nice thing to do

Two differences
1st they were squared up,
1st Vinny proceeded with the fight even though Lowe got the drop on him.

To be fair that's a just a rookie move by Lowe, not breaking the code. Hopped up on adrenaline.

It's not about being completely fair and even. Lowe was looking for a fight the first time around, while Lecavalier really wasn't and got worked. Lecavalier didn't dig it and jumped him in the next one. These types of things used to happen frequently.

 

[tarheelhockey]

It's not about being completely fair and even. Lowe was looking for a fight the first time around, while Lecavalier really wasn't and got worked. Lecavalier didn't dig it and jumped him in the next one. These types of things used to happen frequently.

TBH I don't think Lowe was really looking for a fight the first time. The replay at 0:50 gives a good view of how he was tracking the puck while clearing Lecavalier out of the crease. Vinny didn't like the high crosschecks (understandably) so he turned and initiated a confrontation rather than just continuing to play which is what Lowe was doing.

Lowe definitely didn't "get the drop on him" as stated in the post above yours, unless you count dropping one glove and reaching around his waist as getting the drop on somebody.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

TBH I don't think Lowe was really looking for a fight the first time. The replay at 0:50 gives a good view of how he was tracking the puck while clearing Lecavalier out of the crease. Vinny didn't like the high crosschecks (understandably) so he turned and initiated a confrontation rather than just continuing to play which is what Lowe was doing.

Lowe definitely didn't "get the drop on him" as stated in the post above yours, unless you count dropping one glove and reaching around his waist as getting the drop on somebody.

He might not have been, but he gave him about 4 good cross checks and didn't back down once Vinny got upset. Vets don't like getting embarrassed by rookies, clean fight or not. Not a honest fight by Vinny, but not surprising or anything really that bad.

 

[PBandJ]

Glad Vinny tuned him the second time. Lowe has been a gutless puke since he was an Oil King. Never thought much of him as a player, he's only in the NHL because of his last name.

 

[Knies iT]

Highest level of hockey you've played or coached? Just curious...

Everyone in this thread should answer this question...so many clueless posts.

No, Lowe doesn't have to sit back and get fed, but you don't go full boar on a veteran after initiating the fight yourself with crosschecks. There is middle ground, so stop with the dichotomy.

Lowe has Lecav beat and in a vulnerable position mid-fight, there's no need to pump him four more times and then skate off like a hot-dog. What Lecavalier did was common place back in the day, and i'm sure Lowe's teammates knew themselves what was coming.

That's hockey folks. Too many nerds yapping without any experience.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Lowe definitely should have softened up and let Lecavalier get in a few free shots based on seniority. Everyone knows that you survive in the NHL by letting old guys back into fights when they're losing.

^ this is how hockey works in real life and not fantasy land

 

[wej20]

Lost a fair fight so mugged him second time round.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Highest level of hockey you've played or coached? Just curious...

I'll answer your question once you answer mine.

 

[bleedgreen]

Vinny got annoyed at the rough play, turned to say something Lowe gave him one high being an over aggressive rookie and Vinny stood up for himself, which I like. I don't care who won or lost, they both had legit reasons. Vinny's teammates didn't like it and when they stepped up to Lowe during the time between fights he didn't want anything to do with them. Vinny got a chance to grab the kid and did it, probably thought the kid was going to be more ready and was likely to swing as often as he did the first time so went overboard early. I think the kid should've been expecting it a bit and probably shouldn't have been caught off guard but it is what it is. I like that Vinny has enough spunk in him to care, and the kid is just trying to earn another day. I get both sides, don't think either side deserves disdain. Moving on.

 

[dookers9]

Oh please. Lecavalier is 34. He might seem like a relic, but that's just because he's been around forever already.

Lowe didn't break any code. Lecavalier was camped in front and got the kind of cross-check that comes with the territory. The only reason it looked bad on the first one was because he was off-balance while tracking the puck, and the second time because he turned to say something rather than digging in.

As far as jumping Lowe, I don't have a huge issue with it if he lets the kid get his gloves off before he starts pumping. But to do it that way was idiotic, and he deserved all 17 of the minutes that he spent off the ice for it.

Well summarized.

I'm thinking there are either a few Flyers fans in here or several of Vinny's relatives jumping in to protect his honour. Yet his actions didn't show much.

The "crosschecks" are pretty standard. Stand in front of the net, you'll get moved. It's how dmen are told to deal with opposition forwards blocking their goaltender. Lowe wasn't doing anything to "go after" Lecavalier. He was playing hard-nosed hockey. Vinny didn't like it, and fair enough... he said "let's go" and wound up having his lunch handed to him.

He wanted to get after Lowe a 2nd time to balance out the score sheet, and I have absolutely no problem with that either. Assuming you give him equal opportunity. When you're going at a guy who's just made a play and still watching the puck, and you start flailing at him like my sister would do to me a couple decades ago... well, that's both weak and pathetic.

Could another Flyer have come after Lowe on account of their teammate having been knocked around? Sure. THAT is code. A way of the league keeping its eager colts in line, I suppose. But if you're going to fight your own fight, show the dignity to make it fair.

The announcers need some serious Flyer de-programming.

 

[Hobnobs]

Well summarized.

I'm thinking there are either a few Flyers fans in here or several of Vinny's relatives jumping in to protect his honour. Yet his actions didn't show much.

The "crosschecks" are pretty standard. Stand in front of the net, you'll get moved. It's how dmen are told to deal with opposition forwards blocking their goaltender. Lowe wasn't doing anything to "go after" Lecavalier. He was playing hard-nosed hockey. Vinny didn't like it, and fair enough... he said "let's go" and wound up having his lunch handed to him.

He wanted to get after Lowe a 2nd time to balance out the score sheet, and I have absolutely no problem with that either. Assuming you give him equal opportunity. When you're going at a guy who's just made a play and still watching the puck, and you start flailing at him like my sister would do to me a couple decades ago... well, that's both weak and pathetic.

Could another Flyer have come after Lowe on account of their teammate having been knocked around? Sure. THAT is code. A way of the league keeping its eager colts in line, I suppose. But if you're going to fight your own fight, show the dignity to make it fair.

The announcers need some serious Flyer de-programming.

Actually its leafs fans and one Oilers fan (who seems to let his hate for Kevin spill over to Keegan) thats defending Vinny. No Flyer fan Ive spoken too thought Vinny was doing something good here.