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[KyleDubasBoyGeniua]

Imagine if Dubas traded Nylander 2 years ago at 22 for a D worse than Brodie? Many wanted that.

 

[ACC1224]

Imagine if Dubas traded Nylander 2 years ago at 22 for a D worse than Brodie? Many wanted that.

Who are the many that wanted to trade him for a worse Defenseman?
You seem to have a vivid imagination

 

[KyleDubasBoyGeniua]

Who are the many that wanted to trade him for a worse Defenseman?
You seem to have a vivid imagination

THe names mentioned were bad. Thankfully Dubas knows more than his critics.
Remember how Pesce was branded some stud D we could get on hands on? Yikes.

 

[Drew311]

It’s going to be a flat cap for 4 years probably, I think the payers should play for 50/50 this year instead of kicking can down the road, so cap has a chance to increase sooner. With flat cap how does Reilly and new goalie get paid.

If most teams are hemorrhaging money there won’t be teams lining up to pay free agents big money. Although the Leafs are in a tight cap situation, most teams won’t be able to spend to the cap if owners keep losing money. Dubas is going to have to shuffle the deck every year, but I don’t see the core pieces going anywhere (other than Andersen). It’s just too complicated to move big salaries these days.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Who are the many that wanted to trade him for a worse Defenseman?
You seem to have a vivid imagination

A lot of that was media driven. Remember the Montour stuff?

 

[KyleDubasBoyGeniua]

A lot of that was media driven. Remember the Montour stuff?

Yeah, what an awful trade that would have been. I recall Pierre Lebrunn saying Florida would never move Matheson for Nylander. ROTFL.
And seriously, Brett Pesce? THAT guy got unbeluevable hype? We are suppose to move Nylander FOR HIM?
Some of these D in markets no one actually watches get REALLY overrated.

The Montour stuff though was legit. Forgot his name but a guy who worked for the Leafs confirmed Montour was offered.

That's why I tell people, stop with the nonsense about moving early 20's talent that are this good. It's stupid. That's why players like that are so rarely moved, and if they are, it usually doesn't work out for the team that trades them.

We are not moving Mitch Marner at 23 because of his cap hit to get 2 slightly above average players you can find without giving up an elite forward.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Spin cycle engage

Reading comprehension, disengage.

Imagine a year later. Dubas gets the D he wanted in Brodie, that Kadri blocked. Ya, Dubas got his guy and used a stop gap plug in the meantime, and got a better 3C than Jankowski. But with zero knowledge, or evidence, you assume somehow, there were better offers, that somehow never came public. Hmm. How about just no. Nice fantasy to justify continuing to complain. Enjoy it.

Ok, now the spin cycle’s engaged. Didn’t realize trading 30 goal C’s for one year stopgaps was a thing, but apparently it now passes as good management.

 

[ACC1224]

THe names mentioned were bad. Thankfully Dubas knows more than his critics.
Remember how Pesce was branded some stud D we could get on hands on? Yikes.

You didn’t answer the question.

 

[ACC1224]

A lot of that was media driven. Remember the Montour stuff?

No idea. Never understood why people follow media only to complain about what they say.

 

[KyleDubasBoyGeniua]

You didn’t answer the question.

I did. Montour, Pesce. The DMen named weren't even good. I never saw anyone suggest actual god DMen we would not be able to obtain in other ways.

That's the theme here. Rush to move our early 20's talent. And when those trades would blow up in the Leafs faces those same people would crap on Dubas.

The amount Brett Pesce got overrated the second he was linked to Nylander by Pierre Lebrun was quite a riot. The guy can't hold Brodie's jock strap. And we got him as a UFA.

 

[KyleDubasBoyGeniua]

No idea. Never understood why people follow media only to complain about what they say.

It does seem the media was correct with the Montour rumour.

 

[ToneDog]

I seem to recall the name Parayko and possibly Petro mentioned along with Pesce, Montour, and Manson. Good luck getting Parayko out of STL now.

 

[al secord]

I think it would be impossible if you’re truly a fan of the team.

I can't really think of a player whom i "dislike." I would like upgrades at positions, but so would management. Thems the breaks in a cap world. You can't always get what you want. But you just might find, you get what you need. I support every player on this team. Strange that i'm no longer considered a "true fan."

 

[ToneDog]

Other than the no-brainer Matty and the promising Rodion, Robbie and Sandman our drafting is why we have not been able to take the next step.

2020 Entry	NHL Totals
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2020 Entry	15	1	Rodion Amirov	L	Ufa Salavat Yulayev [KHL]
2020 Entry	59	2	Roni Hirvonen	C	Assat Pori [SM-liiga]
2020 Entry	64	3	Topi Niemela	D	Karpat [SM-liiga]
2020 Entry	106	4	Artur Akhtyamov	G	Kazan Jrs. (Russia)
2020 Entry	122	4	William Villeneuve	D	Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL]
2020 Entry	137	5	Dmitry Ovchinnikov	F	Novosibirsk Jrs. (Russia)
2020 Entry	168	6	Veeti Miettinen	R	Espoo Jrs. (Finland)
2020 Entry	177	6	Axel Rindell	D	Jukurit Mikkeli [SM-liiga]
2020 Entry	180	6	Joe Miller	C	Blake School (Minn. H.S.)
2020 Entry	189	7	John Fusco	D	Dexter Southfield (Mass. H.S.)
2020 Entry	195	7	Wyatt Schingoethe	F	Waterloo Black Hawks [USHL]
2020 Entry	213	7	Ryan Tverberg	C	Toronto Jr. Canadiens [OJHL]
2019 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2019 Entry	53	2	Nick Robertson	L	Peterborough Petes [OHL]	0	0	0	0	0
2019 Entry	84	3	Mikko Kokkonen	D	Jukurit Mikkeli [SM-liiga]
2019 Entry	115	4	Mikhail Abramov	C	Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL]
2019 Entry	124	4	Nick Abruzzese	C	Chicago Steel [USHL]
2019 Entry	146	5	Michael Koster	D	Chaska [Minn. H.S.]
2019 Entry	204	7	Kalle Loponen	D	Karpat [Finland Jrs.]
2018 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2018 Entry	29	1	Rasmus Sandin	D	Soo Greyhounds [OHL]	28	1	7	8	10
2018 Entry	52	2	Sean Durzi	D	Owen Sound Attack [OHL]
2018 Entry	76	3	Semyon Der-Arguchintsev	C	Peterborough Petes [OHL]
2018 Entry	83	3	Riley Stotts	C	Calgary Hitmen [WHL]
2018 Entry	118	4	Mac Hollowell	D	Soo Greyhounds [OHL]
2018 Entry	149	5	Filip Kral	D	Spokane Chiefs [WHL]
2018 Entry	156	6	Pontus Holmberg	L	Vasteras (Sweden-3)
2018 Entry	209	7	Zachary Bouthillier	G	Chicoutimi Sagueneens [QMJHL]
2018 Entry	211	7	Semyon Kizimov	R	Togliatti-2 (Russia Jrs.)
2017 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2017 Entry	17	1	Timothy Liljegren	D	Rogle BK Angelholm [SweHL]	11	0	1	1	2
2017 Entry	59	2	Eemeli Rasanen	D	Kingston Frontenacs [OHL]
2017 Entry	110	4	Ian Scott	G	Prince Albert Raiders [WHL]
2017 Entry	124	4	Vladislav Kara	L	Kazan [Russia-Jrs]
2017 Entry	141	5	Fedor Gordeev	D	Flint Firebirds [OHL]
2017 Entry	172	6	Ryan McGregor	C	Sarnia Sting [OHL]
2017 Entry	203	7	Ryan O'Connell	D	St. Andrews [Ont. H.S.]
2016 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2016 Entry	1	1	Auston Matthews	C	Zurich SC [Swiss-A]	282	158	127	285	46
2016 Entry	31	2	Egor Korshkov	L	Yaroslavl Lokomotiv [KHL]	1	1	0	1	0
2016 Entry	57	2	Carl Grundstrom	R	MODO Hockey Ornskoldsvik [SweHL]	28	5	5	10	14
2016 Entry	62	3	Joseph Woll	G	U.S. National Development Team [USHL]
2016 Entry	72	3	J.D. Greenway	D	U.S. National Development Team [USHL]
2016 Entry	92	4	Adam Brooks	C	Regina Pats [WHL]	7	0	3	3	0
2016 Entry	101	4	Keaton Middleton	D	Saginaw Spirit [OHL]
2016 Entry	122	5	Vladimir Bobylev	L	Victoria Royals [WHL]
2016 Entry	152	6	Jack Walker	L	Victoria Royals [WHL]
2016 Entry	179	6	Nicolas Mattinen	D	London Knights [OHL]
2016 Entry	182	7	Nikolai Chebykin	L	MVD Jrs (Russia)

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[kb]

Other than the no-brainer Matty and the promising Rodion, Robbie and Sandman our drafting is why we have not been able to take the next step.

2020 Entry	NHL Totals
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2020 Entry	15	1	Rodion Amirov	L	Ufa Salavat Yulayev [KHL]
2020 Entry	59	2	Roni Hirvonen	C	Assat Pori [SM-liiga]
2020 Entry	64	3	Topi Niemela	D	Karpat [SM-liiga]
2020 Entry	106	4	Artur Akhtyamov	G	Kazan Jrs. (Russia)
2020 Entry	122	4	William Villeneuve	D	Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL]
2020 Entry	137	5	Dmitry Ovchinnikov	F	Novosibirsk Jrs. (Russia)
2020 Entry	168	6	Veeti Miettinen	R	Espoo Jrs. (Finland)
2020 Entry	177	6	Axel Rindell	D	Jukurit Mikkeli [SM-liiga]
2020 Entry	180	6	Joe Miller	C	Blake School (Minn. H.S.)
2020 Entry	189	7	John Fusco	D	Dexter Southfield (Mass. H.S.)
2020 Entry	195	7	Wyatt Schingoethe	F	Waterloo Black Hawks [USHL]
2020 Entry	213	7	Ryan Tverberg	C	Toronto Jr. Canadiens [OJHL]
2019 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2019 Entry	53	2	Nick Robertson	L	Peterborough Petes [OHL]	0	0	0	0	0
2019 Entry	84	3	Mikko Kokkonen	D	Jukurit Mikkeli [SM-liiga]
2019 Entry	115	4	Mikhail Abramov	C	Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL]
2019 Entry	124	4	Nick Abruzzese	C	Chicago Steel [USHL]
2019 Entry	146	5	Michael Koster	D	Chaska [Minn. H.S.]
2019 Entry	204	7	Kalle Loponen	D	Karpat [Finland Jrs.]
2018 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2018 Entry	29	1	Rasmus Sandin	D	Soo Greyhounds [OHL]	28	1	7	8	10
2018 Entry	52	2	Sean Durzi	D	Owen Sound Attack [OHL]
2018 Entry	76	3	Semyon Der-Arguchintsev	C	Peterborough Petes [OHL]
2018 Entry	83	3	Riley Stotts	C	Calgary Hitmen [WHL]
2018 Entry	118	4	Mac Hollowell	D	Soo Greyhounds [OHL]
2018 Entry	149	5	Filip Kral	D	Spokane Chiefs [WHL]
2018 Entry	156	6	Pontus Holmberg	L	Vasteras (Sweden-3)
2018 Entry	209	7	Zachary Bouthillier	G	Chicoutimi Sagueneens [QMJHL]
2018 Entry	211	7	Semyon Kizimov	R	Togliatti-2 (Russia Jrs.)
2017 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2017 Entry	17	1	Timothy Liljegren	D	Rogle BK Angelholm [SweHL]	11	0	1	1	2
2017 Entry	59	2	Eemeli Rasanen	D	Kingston Frontenacs [OHL]
2017 Entry	110	4	Ian Scott	G	Prince Albert Raiders [WHL]
2017 Entry	124	4	Vladislav Kara	L	Kazan [Russia-Jrs]
2017 Entry	141	5	Fedor Gordeev	D	Flint Firebirds [OHL]
2017 Entry	172	6	Ryan McGregor	C	Sarnia Sting [OHL]
2017 Entry	203	7	Ryan O'Connell	D	St. Andrews [Ont. H.S.]
2016 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2016 Entry	1	1	Auston Matthews	C	Zurich SC [Swiss-A]	282	158	127	285	46
2016 Entry	31	2	Egor Korshkov	L	Yaroslavl Lokomotiv [KHL]	1	1	0	1	0
2016 Entry	57	2	Carl Grundstrom	R	MODO Hockey Ornskoldsvik [SweHL]	28	5	5	10	14
2016 Entry	62	3	Joseph Woll	G	U.S. National Development Team [USHL]
2016 Entry	72	3	J.D. Greenway	D	U.S. National Development Team [USHL]
2016 Entry	92	4	Adam Brooks	C	Regina Pats [WHL]	7	0	3	3	0
2016 Entry	101	4	Keaton Middleton	D	Saginaw Spirit [OHL]
2016 Entry	122	5	Vladimir Bobylev	L	Victoria Royals [WHL]
2016 Entry	152	6	Jack Walker	L	Victoria Royals [WHL]
2016 Entry	179	6	Nicolas Mattinen	D	London Knights [OHL]
2016 Entry	182	7	Nikolai Chebykin	L	MVD Jrs (Russia)

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Yeah, all those players still playing juniors from 2018 onwards must be busts. Oh wait....no, crazily enough, they were still playing out their junior careers.

 

[ToneDog]

Yeah, all those players still playing juniors from 2018 onwards must be busts. Oh wait....no, crazily enough, they were still playing out their junior careers.

Wait, where did I call them all busts. Obviously the further back you go the more games played we should expect from our picks. The results for 2016 and 2017 are not flattering (other than Matty) but I am guessing you think I took a shot at Dubas which I clearly did not.

 

[X66]

Other than the no-brainer Matty and the promising Rodion, Robbie and Sandman our drafting is why we have not been able to take the next step.

That's thanks to our "draft guru" Mark Hunter.

He whiffed on so many picks because he obsessed about size. Grundstrom was a very good pick, but I like Muzzin over him any day for our current stage.

My evaluation with Dubas vs Hunter in drafting so far is...

How many picks did Hunter make(outside of the lottery guys) that would either be considered high end trade value, or go higher in a re-draft?

That's bad drafting.

 

[Mess]

I think it would be impossible if you’re truly a fan of the team.

If one is a diehard fan then it should be the crest on the front not the name on the back that matters most, and whatever is in the best interest of the Team and not any one Player.

 

[KyleDubasBoyGeniua]

I seem to recall the name Parayko and possibly Petro mentioned along with Pesce, Montour, and Manson. Good luck getting Parayko out of STL now.

Yeah because they made the stunning move of acquiring Faulk and then could not afford AP.

I only heard Paryko this year myself and that was only if they signed AP.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Other than the no-brainer Matty and the promising Rodion, Robbie and Sandman our drafting is why we have not been able to take the next step.

2020 Entry	NHL Totals
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2020 Entry	15	1	Rodion Amirov	L	Ufa Salavat Yulayev [KHL]
2020 Entry	59	2	Roni Hirvonen	C	Assat Pori [SM-liiga]
2020 Entry	64	3	Topi Niemela	D	Karpat [SM-liiga]
2020 Entry	106	4	Artur Akhtyamov	G	Kazan Jrs. (Russia)
2020 Entry	122	4	William Villeneuve	D	Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL]
2020 Entry	137	5	Dmitry Ovchinnikov	F	Novosibirsk Jrs. (Russia)
2020 Entry	168	6	Veeti Miettinen	R	Espoo Jrs. (Finland)
2020 Entry	177	6	Axel Rindell	D	Jukurit Mikkeli [SM-liiga]
2020 Entry	180	6	Joe Miller	C	Blake School (Minn. H.S.)
2020 Entry	189	7	John Fusco	D	Dexter Southfield (Mass. H.S.)
2020 Entry	195	7	Wyatt Schingoethe	F	Waterloo Black Hawks [USHL]
2020 Entry	213	7	Ryan Tverberg	C	Toronto Jr. Canadiens [OJHL]
2019 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2019 Entry	53	2	Nick Robertson	L	Peterborough Petes [OHL]	0	0	0	0	0
2019 Entry	84	3	Mikko Kokkonen	D	Jukurit Mikkeli [SM-liiga]
2019 Entry	115	4	Mikhail Abramov	C	Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL]
2019 Entry	124	4	Nick Abruzzese	C	Chicago Steel [USHL]
2019 Entry	146	5	Michael Koster	D	Chaska [Minn. H.S.]
2019 Entry	204	7	Kalle Loponen	D	Karpat [Finland Jrs.]
2018 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2018 Entry	29	1	Rasmus Sandin	D	Soo Greyhounds [OHL]	28	1	7	8	10
2018 Entry	52	2	Sean Durzi	D	Owen Sound Attack [OHL]
2018 Entry	76	3	Semyon Der-Arguchintsev	C	Peterborough Petes [OHL]
2018 Entry	83	3	Riley Stotts	C	Calgary Hitmen [WHL]
2018 Entry	118	4	Mac Hollowell	D	Soo Greyhounds [OHL]
2018 Entry	149	5	Filip Kral	D	Spokane Chiefs [WHL]
2018 Entry	156	6	Pontus Holmberg	L	Vasteras (Sweden-3)
2018 Entry	209	7	Zachary Bouthillier	G	Chicoutimi Sagueneens [QMJHL]
2018 Entry	211	7	Semyon Kizimov	R	Togliatti-2 (Russia Jrs.)
2017 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2017 Entry	17	1	Timothy Liljegren	D	Rogle BK Angelholm [SweHL]	11	0	1	1	2
2017 Entry	59	2	Eemeli Rasanen	D	Kingston Frontenacs [OHL]
2017 Entry	110	4	Ian Scott	G	Prince Albert Raiders [WHL]
2017 Entry	124	4	Vladislav Kara	L	Kazan [Russia-Jrs]
2017 Entry	141	5	Fedor Gordeev	D	Flint Firebirds [OHL]
2017 Entry	172	6	Ryan McGregor	C	Sarnia Sting [OHL]
2017 Entry	203	7	Ryan O'Connell	D	St. Andrews [Ont. H.S.]
2016 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2016 Entry	1	1	Auston Matthews	C	Zurich SC [Swiss-A]	282	158	127	285	46
2016 Entry	31	2	Egor Korshkov	L	Yaroslavl Lokomotiv [KHL]	1	1	0	1	0
2016 Entry	57	2	Carl Grundstrom	R	MODO Hockey Ornskoldsvik [SweHL]	28	5	5	10	14
2016 Entry	62	3	Joseph Woll	G	U.S. National Development Team [USHL]
2016 Entry	72	3	J.D. Greenway	D	U.S. National Development Team [USHL]
2016 Entry	92	4	Adam Brooks	C	Regina Pats [WHL]	7	0	3	3	0
2016 Entry	101	4	Keaton Middleton	D	Saginaw Spirit [OHL]
2016 Entry	122	5	Vladimir Bobylev	L	Victoria Royals [WHL]
2016 Entry	152	6	Jack Walker	L	Victoria Royals [WHL]
2016 Entry	179	6	Nicolas Mattinen	D	London Knights [OHL]
2016 Entry	182	7	Nikolai Chebykin	L	MVD Jrs (Russia)

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Hunter took Korshkov in stead of Carter Hart Matthews draft year. That was a joke. Hart was a no brainer and likely should have been a first round pick.we had #31 and Philly scooped him 48th wow. Scouts are bad

 

[X66]

Hunter took Korshkov in stead of Carter Hart Matthews draft year. That was a joke. Hart was a no brainer and likely should have been a first round pick.we had #31 and Philly scooped him 48th wow. Scouts are bad

Don't even REMIND me lol...

 

[KyleDubasBoyGeniua]

Mark Hunter sucks at NHL drafting. Dubas is killing him. Dubas can also get an NHL job.

 

[ACC1224]

It does seem the media was correct with the Montour rumour.

What was the rumour?

 

[Golden_Jet]

Yeah because they made the stunning move of acquiring Faulk and then could not afford AP.

I only heard Paryko this year myself and that was only if they signed AP.

lots in 2018 as well. I would of done it, remember being told it was a bad deal.

 

[ACC1224]

I did. Montour, Pesce. The DMen named weren't even good. I never saw anyone suggest actual god DMen we would not be able to obtain in other ways.

That's the theme here. Rush to move our early 20's talent. And when those trades would blow up in the Leafs faces those same people would crap on Dubas.

The amount Brett Pesce got overrated the second he was linked to Nylander by Pierre Lebrun was quite a riot. The guy can't hold Brodie's jock strap. And we got him as a UFA.

You realize it’s people like you that the media is speaking to?