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Yet that all he’s done as owner of the OilersHe’s made billions of dollars by putting people in positions that he trusts.
The man hates failure. It’s not even in his vocabulary
Yet that all he’s done as owner of the OilersHe’s made billions of dollars by putting people in positions that he trusts.
The man hates failure. It’s not even in his vocabulary
Really?
He owns the Oilers.
He’s overseen epic levels of incompetence.
Failure is definitely in his vocabulary.
You forgot the emoji.He’s made billions of dollars by putting people in positions that he trusts.
The man hates failure. It’s not even in his vocabulary
What I hated about interview (and I only heard that snippet on Bobs show) was that he never said or gave the answer that Chia gave him when he asked about how the team's so crappy 18 months later.
I mean if he was pissed and serious that he asked Chia, what did he say to assuage Katz? I'd like to know!
Absolutely completely agree. No other owner would have enabled a decade of darkness and beyond.
The “plan” was to avoid any accountability or expectations of his team while still being able to charge top dollar for as long as possible. Hopefully for long enough to get into the new arena, where he’d likely have even more seasons of not having to ice a competitive team.They obviously wanted to tank like Pittsburgh and Chicago did.
The "plan" was that they would tank and build up multiple high end talented players after being shunned by the likes of Pronger, Heatley, Hossa, etc. And Katz was cool with that because it would take a few years to get the arena issue ironed out.
But I don't believe the "plan" ever was to let it go on this long, it got away from the Oilers because RNH and Yakupov were not the players they thought they would be. Then they fluked out into McDavid but made the disastrous hiring of Chiarelli.
The “plan” was to avoid any accountability or expectations of his team while still being able to charge top dollar for as long as possible. Hopefully for long enough to get into the new arena, where he’d likely have even more seasons of not having to ice a competitive team.
If the “plan” was ever about anything more than that it wouldn’t have been started by the same people that drove the team into the ditch the first time. It certainly wouldn’t have included the owner over ruling his GM and scouting staff by taking the player he thought was flashy enough to sell more jerseys than the defenseman the team needed to draft.
This team has never been about anything other than money to Katz. He’s doing damage control now to protect it. I get why people would have thought otherwise ten years ago when we didn’t know him. We know him pretty well by now.
Or at least an answer of some kind.
I mean Katz isnt just a fan...he is the man who the entire Oiler management is accountable to.
He should understand that he cant separate himself from whats going on and operate from a fan perspective by asking open ended questions.
Thank youOct 18 - Daryl Katz with Reid and Bob - CHED - Omny.fm
Starts at 2:03.
- asked Chiarelli in New York to explain how [effectively] the same team 18 months ago was able to reach round two of the playoffs
- didn't think the team showed up last year or the first two games this season + first two periods of the Winnipeg game; that was the most frustrating thing for him and the fans
- it is a big year for the team
- the fans expect a lot and deserve a lot
It's pretty easy to look at the Reinhart trade/Hamilton non-trade as the root cause, even at the time.Can you imagine, after the 2015 draft, that making the playoffs would be successful season 4 years later?
The “plan” was to avoid any accountability or expectations of his team while still being able to charge top dollar for as long as possible. Hopefully for long enough to get into the new arena, where he’d likely have even more seasons of not having to ice a competitive team.
If the “plan” was ever about anything more than that it wouldn’t have been started by the same people that drove the team into the ditch the first time. It certainly wouldn’t have included the owner over ruling his GM and scouting staff by taking the player he thought was flashy enough to sell more jerseys than the defenseman the team needed to draft.
This team has never been about anything other than money to Katz. He’s doing damage control now to protect it. I get why people would have thought otherwise ten years ago when we didn’t know him. We know him pretty well by now.
I don’t think it should be as big of a surprise as some do. There was no plan in place to build a winning team outside of finishing as low as possible to get the best lottery pick we could for several seasons. Our front office thought that would be good enough and things would just fall into place. There was nothing ever done to build a team. We used two of our three first overall picks on guys who in theory were supposed to be the same player and even that didn’t go right because Yakupov was a complete bust. Even before that we were unable to sell off any assets we could for good draft picks to build a stable of young players who might be ready at the same time.Can you imagine, after the 2015 draft, that making the playoffs would be successful season 4 years later?
Nope, I’m saying the business man bought the team to use it solely as a springboard for his other business interests. I’d have no problem with this if he made an honest effort to make the team a success and I said as much back in 2010 when it was starting to become clear what his goals really were. Do you think he’s made an honest effort to make the team successful?Wait. Hold onnnnn. So you are telling me a business man bought a business and his goal was to make as much money as he could with said business?
The horror!
People hate it when it's said, but if people are not happy with the product, don't support it from your pocket.
I dont recall anybody every saying Katz doesnt care about the team. The concerns, in order of appearance have been:
1). He is a jock sniffing fan boy who tends to hire and keep his heroes hanging around regardless of competence.
2). His concern for the Oilers is largely a concern with making money, as shown by his visit to Seattle/negotiations with the City over the arena.
3). He meddles. Red wine summits, overrides scouts to draft Yakupov (I forgive that one as I wanted Yak too) etc
4). He is clueless. Any owner that can legitimately wonder why we are where we are, with the full record of Chias contracts, and trades in full view, can and should be questioned.
He has provided the Oilers with financial stability and spends to the cap. He deserves some recognition for that, but that is where the praise begins and ends.
I liked your post because of your last paragraph. The one additional thing I’ll give Katz credit for is he’s stabilized the minor league system which is something that was non existent before he bought the team and what was as big of a reason for the teams failures as anything else.I dont recall anybody every saying Katz doesnt care about the team. The concerns, in order of appearance have been:
1). He is a jock sniffing fan boy who tends to hire and keep his heroes hanging around regardless of competence.
2). His concern for the Oilers is largely a concern with making money, as shown by his visit to Seattle/negotiations with the City over the arena.
3). He meddles. Red wine summits, overrides scouts to draft Yakupov (I forgive that one as I wanted Yak too) etc
4). He is clueless. Any owner that can legitimately wonder why we are where we are, with the full record of Chias contracts, and trades in full view, can and should be questioned.
He has provided the Oilers with financial stability and spends to the cap. He deserves some recognition for that, but that is where the praise begins and ends.
Katz reads HF, confirmed.
I should’ve been more clear. Katz “tough questions” for Chiarelli were almost certainly rhetorical. I was purely cataloguing the list of complaints that come up whenever Katz is mentioned, and the fact that lack of caring is never one of them. The last line is my opinion.Nice post. Agreed, I don't see anything too specific in his comments. General run of the mill standard comments. But see my post above. The question to Chia was rhetorical in my estimation. It was just meant to uncover a theme, to depict it and expand on it. It isn't to really wonder why. Its the orgs oftstated premise that its the players fault. As fans we should be most concerned that the needle once again pointed in that direction. Astounding really. Who put together this lineup. Who can't even arrange lines competently?
I dont recall anybody every saying Katz doesnt care about the team. The concerns, in order of appearance have been:
1). He is a jock sniffing fan boy who tends to hire and keep his heroes hanging around regardless of competence.
2). His concern for the Oilers is largely a concern with making money, as shown by his visit to Seattle/negotiations with the City over the arena.
3). He meddles. Red wine summits, overrides scouts to draft Yakupov (I forgive that one as I wanted Yak too) etc
4). He is clueless. Any owner that can legitimately wonder why we are where we are, with the full record of Chias contracts, and trades in full view, can and should be questioned.
He has provided the Oilers with financial stability and spends to the cap. He deserves some recognition for that, but that is where the praise begins and ends.
To be fair if I was an owner of a business and one year my business highly excelled and then the next with pretty much the same entire group of employees ****s the bed, that's something that would piss me off and peak my interest.
Chia sucks. Full stop. However the fact that the parts haven't changed and they aren't even close to the same team as the playoff year...that's on coaching.