Karlsson vs Hedman

[Ben White]

Who will have the better season?

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[Filthy Dangles]

Karlsson is the better player so most likely him.....

 

[pcruz]

Hedman doesn’t need to share the wealth with a player nearly his equal (right now).

 

[Regal]

Hedman doesn’t need to share the wealth with a player nearly his equal (right now).

At defense, no, but he has better forwards to share it with

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Lightning fan voting EK for sure

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

Love the way Hedman Plays, I’ll take him

 

[triggrman]

Karlsson was awful last year. I'm still not sold Karlsson can fit into a system for a full season. We'll see though.

 

[Holymakinaw]

Hedman.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Karlsson was awful last year. I'm still not sold Karlsson can fit into a system for a full season. We'll see though.

Whaat does this even mean

 

[missionAvs]

I think EK will probably have the better season if for any reason due to having a much much better supporting cast in SJ than in Ottawa. I'm excited to see what he can do on a much stronger team overall. That said, if the question was who I would take for the Avs, my answer would be Hedman due to his better defensive play and because we already have quite a few offensive minded D (albeit not as good as EK but still pretty good).

 

[Signupnow]

Ive been told EK would not score more than doughty on a better team as he has been benefiting on playing with awful teammates all this time. going to be interesting to see if he will manage 50 points or not this year.

 

[missionAvs]

Ive been told EK would not score more than doughty on a better team as he has been benefiting on playing with awful teammates all this time. going to be interesting to see if he will manage 50 points or not this year.

I'll take the under on that. How is he ever supposed to dish those sweet passes when he has to consider Burns' and Jumbo Joe's biblical beards? He never had to deal with anything like that in Ottawa.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Ive been told EK would not score more than doughty on a better team as he has been benefiting on playing with awful teammates all this time. going to be interesting to see if he will manage 50 points or not this year.

You were told...by your mind so you could pick an internet fight?

No one is under any delusion that Drew is scoring more than EK this year.

More likely what you were told is that EK's numbers will come down as there are only so many points to go around on great teams with great offenses.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

More likely what you were told is that EK's numbers will come down as there are only so many points to go around on great teams with great offenses.

Funny, you used this exact argument in reverse yesterday to claim that Hedman should have an easier time scoring than Doughty because he’s on a great team with a great offense.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Funny, you used this exact argument in reverse yesterday to claim that Hedman should have an easier time scoring than Doughty because he’s on a great team with a great offense.

That's not what I said. Don't misrepresent me, and no reason to bring that garbage here since you didn't have the guts or facts to properly address my claims in that thread either. You're overly simplifying our discussion of rates, deployment, as percentage of offense as if it was just "hurr tb scores more so hedman should score more." I was only pointing out your false claim that Hedman had a head-and-shoulders better offensive season than Doughty...but it was only a 3 point difference despite major differences in usage and team situations.

My point as it relates to THIS thread is that all the offense (especially from the defense) in Ottawa was funneled through Karlsson; that will not be the case in San Jose where they also have Burns in addition to other weapons like Thornton to create plays. Some people like to say this will get Karlsson to 90 points, but I think it's more likely that both guys settle down around 70. That's still stellar/elite, it's just that on teams that score in the neighborhood of 300 goals versus the teams that are scoring 200, it usually signals depth of offense rather than one guy getting 150 points. I think he'll be a better all-around player, but his points will drop slightly.

 

[PatrikBerglund]

I love Hedman, but when Karlsson plays at his real level (IE: injury-free etc.) there is not a defenceman alive that can come even close.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

I love Hedman, but when Karlsson plays at his real level (IE: injury-free etc.) there is not a defenceman alive that can come even close.

The distinction still must be made that this is in terms of OFFENSIVELY. Not overall or defensively.

 

[Juxtaposer]

The distinction still must be made that this is in terms of OFFENSIVELY. Not overall or defensively.

Except that it is overall.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Except that it is overall.

While it is commendable to defend the players on your team (even for a week), he most certainly is not!

I always would take Doughty first and at this point likely Hedman as well. Others are close as well.

Offensively, there is a point to be made.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

While it is commendable to defend the players on your team (even for a week), he most certainly is not!

I always would take Doughty first and at this point likely Hedman as well. Others are close as well.

Offensively, there is a point to be made.

TBF, you also probably think Adam McQuaid is better defensively than Karlsson.

Karlsson's offense is a big part of his defense. And I don't mean point production, I mean he totally dictates the game and possession when he's out there unlike anyother defenseman. And here's where we get into the big blur that is what is offense vs defense.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Karlsson is the best dman in the NHL. No doubt.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Karlsson is so much better than Hedman, offensively and defensively.

 

[PinkFly]

Whaat does this even mean

It means Karlsson can't fit into a system. Which is totally false since Karlsson basically did that for his whole career in Ottawa. Maybe @triggrman is referring to another Karlsson?

 

[The Unit]

Karlsson should be able wrack up the second assists this season running the point on the powerplay with Burns. Also him possibly getting paired with Vlasic during even strength play one would hope he would be a plus player this season.

 

[Weast]

Karlsson should be able wrack up the second assists this season running the point on the powerplay with Burns. Also him possibly getting paired with Vlasic during even strength play one would hope he would be a plus player this season.

Ah yes plus/minus, the greatest stat of all time.