Proposal: Kapanen to CAR (not for Pesce)

[GIN ANTONIC]

There aren't only 2 options. The Leafs have other options to clear cap space if the so choose (Johnsson, Brown, Zaitsev, Nylander, etc...). Kapanen is likely to get at least $3M when he re-signs. An extra $1M isn't going to make Toronto make a dumb move.

Zaitsev is unmovable. Nylander's value has dropped substantially this year and his price tag (cap wise is high). Brown doesn't make a ton so trading him is helpful but doesn't move the needle a lot. AJ is in the same position as Kapanen. They probably can't keep both of them so something has to give. Marleau is another albatross that is unmovable with his NTC conditions. Marner needs to be re-signed too and there is a 0 percent chance he takes any kind of discount.

 

[4thline]

Kapanen to CAR for their 2019 1st + Roland Mckeown

Thoughts?

Counter

Kadri for Faulk, Buff 2nd, Mattheos

 

[Zip15]

Yup, just the Leafs. Not the Bolts or Jets who have even less cap space than the Leafs do.

The obsession with the Leafs with "neutral" fans is hilarious.

Oh sorry, I thought I was in a thread concerning the Leafs and Kapanen. Guess I didn't realize I should also be discussing the Jets and Bolts in here, too.

 

[Liferleafer]

Kapanen to CAR for their 2019 1st + Roland Mckeown

Thoughts?

No thank you.

 

[Dooble08]

Yup, just the Leafs. Not the Bolts or Jets who have even less cap space than the Leafs do.

The obsession with the Leafs with "neutral" fans is hilarious.

The difference here is that getting Kapanen or Johnsson to sign an offer sheet will only cost a 2nd round pick. To sign Point, Trouba, Laine or Connor to an offer sheet would cost (at the very least) a 1st and a 3rd, if they take 6 million.

 

[spockBokk]

Counter

Kadri for Faulk, Buff 2nd, Mattheos

Close...too greedy with the BUF 2nd and Mattheos tho.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Zaitsev is unmovable. Nylander's value has dropped substantially this year and his price tag (cap wise is high). Brown doesn't make a ton so trading him is helpful but doesn't move the needle a lot. AJ is in the same position as Kapanen. They probably can't keep both of them so something has to give. Marleau is another albatross that is unmovable with his NTC conditions. Marner needs to be re-signed too and there is a 0 percent chance he takes any kind of discount.

Meh, I disagree with most of that.

Zaitsev: He's is not unmovable. They may need to make it worth someone's while, but he's not unmovable. Down the stretch and in the playoffs, he played quite well. He's a bit overpaid, but he has value IMO. In fact, I doubt the Leafs move him unless they can find another RHD.
Nylander: His value hasn't dropped as much as people let on. 1 bad year when he missed all of training camp and 1/3rd of the season isn't going to change that he's a young, skilled 60point players. GMs see that. His cap hit is certainly higher than it was, but after 7/1, his salary isn't bad. If the Leafs want to move him, there will be a lot of takers.
AJ: Not in the same position as Kap, as he's arb. eligible, but he's going to cost probably $2.5M so if the Leafs want to save that space, they can move him easily, which is my point.
Kadri: Another guy that can be moved to free up space if they need to. Gardiner won't likely be re-signed either.

My point being is that I highly doubt the Leafs would trade Kapanen for a 2nd round pick or refuse to match an offersheet that requires only a 2nd round pick (and remember, Kapanen has to agree to sign an offersheet). People fail to recognize that there are 29 teams in the NHL and many of them would want a guy like Kapanen. Leafs have a number of different things they can put in play vs. just taking a poor offer for wone of their players.

 

[4thline]

Close...too greedy with the BUF 2nd and Mattheos tho.

High 2nd and a good prospect seems fair for two extra years of Kadri, (Faulk and 1st year cancel out). Maybe Leaf send Blues 4th back?

 

[boredmale]

Is Roland Mckeown even considered a decent prospect anymore?

 

[tarheelhockey]

Is Roland Mckeown even considered a decent prospect anymore?

He's a solid bottom-pair or pressbox RHD on most teams, 23 years old, and coming up on his RFA contract. Carolina is one of the only places where he'd still be in firmly in the AHL next season.

It's likely he never makes top-4 status, but he's not nothing. And players like this are important for building out a stable roster, so you're not taking $2M pot shots on the UFA market every summer.

 

[GoldiFox]

Counter

Kadri for Faulk, Buff 2nd, Mattheos

Easy yes. Kadri is the best fit for the Canes of the available options.

 

[4thline]

Easy yes. Kadri is the best fit for the Canes of the available options.

Easy enough to move Buff 2nd + Matheos to any of
Car 1st
Buff 2nd+Kuokkanen
car 1st + Mattheos
?

 

[obey86]

I just want to see a team or teams hit Toronto with one-year offer sheets at the top of the 2nd round compensation bracket (probably around $4.2M) for Johnsson and Kapanen. Don't let them bring those guys back for relatively cheap.

Yeah, I mentioned this is in the Red Wings forum a week or so ago. I would be willing to give up a 2nd round pick for Kapanen. He's young enough he can still be a Red Wing when (if) the rebuild is complete. Odds are whoever the Wings draft in the 2nd round won't be as good as Kapanen.

 

[Mersss]

There aren't only 2 options. The Leafs have other options to clear cap space if the so choose (Johnsson, Brown, Zaitsev, Nylander, etc...). Kapanen is likely to get at least $3M when he re-signs. An extra $1M isn't going to make Toronto make a dumb move.

Yah, cause we all know EVERY team in the NHL are goign to jump to help the leafs get rid of overpaid 4th lienrs like COnnor Brown or Overpaid bottom pairing DMan like Zaitsev...

Leafs won't want to tarde the assets necessary for a team to take on a contract like Zaitsve's (Sandin or Liljegren)

 

[Liferleafer]

Easy yes. Kadri is the best fit for the Canes of the available options.

I would pass....no interest in Faulk for Kadri.

 

[Menzinger]

Yah, cause we all know EVERY team in the NHL are goign to jump to help the leafs get rid of overpaid 4th lienrs like COnnor Brown or Overpaid bottom pairing DMan like Zaitsev...

Leafs won't want to tarde the assets necessary for a team to take on a contract like Zaitsve's (Sandin or Liljegren)

Worse contracts have been moved without giving up prospects of that caliber as a sweetener.

Folks always overestimate around here how difficult it is to move lousy contracts. Especially for a guy like Zaitsev who actually probably has interest the right coach/GM

 

[Frenzy31]

Worse contracts have been moved without giving up prospects of that caliber as a sweetener.

Folks always overestimate around here how difficult it is to move lousy contracts. Especially for a guy like Zaitsev who actually probably has interest the right coach/GM

Most contracts that have been moved have one year not 4.

 

[SaskCanesFan]

I just want to see a team or teams hit Toronto with one-year offer sheets at the top of the 2nd round compensation bracket (probably around $4.2M) for Johnsson and Kapanen. Don't let them bring those guys back for relatively cheap.

Yup, I'd much rather the Canes just do exactly that

 

[Mersss]

Worse contracts have been moved without giving up prospects of that caliber as a sweetener.

Folks always overestimate around here how difficult it is to move lousy contracts. Especially for a guy like Zaitsev who actually probably has interest the right coach/GM

Yah, if the contract has ONE year left...

Zaitsev has 4... NO ONE is tying their hands up on a bottom pairing d-man @ 4.5M w/out a SOLID incentive. TOR do not own a 2019 1st, therfore the only valuable asset they have are Sandin and Liljegren (kind of like the Teravainen-Bickell deal)

Leafs fan are crazy if they think ANY Gm is taking that dumpster of a player AND getting nothing significant doing so.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

Toronto's a good team. Other teams should do what they can to prevent them from re-signing good players for cheap, allowing them to keep other good players. It's not personal.

You're playing a dangerous game by doing that. Not only are you inflating salaries, you're also going to piss teams off. In 2 or 3 years you may have a few pending RFAs while being close to the cap and watch teams offer sheet them.

 

[Menzinger]

Yah, if the contract has ONE year left...

Zaitsev has 4... NO ONE is tying their hands up on a bottom pairing d-man @ 4.5M w/out a SOLID incentive. TOR do not own a 2019 1st, therfore the only valuable asset they have are Sandin and Liljegren (kind of like the Teravainen-Bickell deal)

Leafs fan are crazy if they think ANY Gm is taking that dumpster of a player AND getting nothing significant doing so.

You're severely underestimating how stupid GMs in this league are

 

[seanlinden]

Meh, I disagree with most of that.

Zaitsev: He's is not unmovable. They may need to make it worth someone's while, but he's not unmovable. Down the stretch and in the playoffs, he played quite well. He's a bit overpaid, but he has value IMO. In fact, I doubt the Leafs move him unless they can find another RHD.
Nylander: His value hasn't dropped as much as people let on. 1 bad year when he missed all of training camp and 1/3rd of the season isn't going to change that he's a young, skilled 60point players. GMs see that. His cap hit is certainly higher than it was, but after 7/1, his salary isn't bad. If the Leafs want to move him, there will be a lot of takers.
AJ: Not in the same position as Kap, as he's arb. eligible, but he's going to cost probably $2.5M so if the Leafs want to save that space, they can move him easily, which is my point.
Kadri: Another guy that can be moved to free up space if they need to. Gardiner won't likely be re-signed either.

My point being is that I highly doubt the Leafs would trade Kapanen for a 2nd round pick or refuse to match an offersheet that requires only a 2nd round pick (and remember, Kapanen has to agree to sign an offersheet). People fail to recognize that there are 29 teams in the NHL and many of them would want a guy like Kapanen. Leafs have a number of different things they can put in play vs. just taking a poor offer for wone of their players.

Even if the Leafs get another RHD, they're unlikely to move Zaitsev. Gardiner is gone. Ron Hainsey is a 38 year old UFA. If he's coming back, its in a limited capacity, on a lower cap hit, likely to play on the 3rd pair alongside Travis Dermott. While there may be concerns over the long term impacts of Zaitsev's contract, the reality is, he's a solid top 4 dman for the leafs who makes $4.5m, which is is basically the going rate for a 2nd pair defenceman, and who alongside Muzzin did an extremely effective job at shutting down one of the best lines in the league this playoff.

Muzzin has been over 40 points 3 times in his career. He paced over that in the regular season with the Leafs. The Muzzin-Zaitsev 2nd pair is one that the Leafs should be confident in going into next year.

 

[4thline]

Another consideration for TOR here.

There probably is a real danger of an offer sheet to Kapanen or Johnsson that would either put them in quite a bind capwise or in what they’d be getting back, potentially only a 2nd for a sheet around $4M. A 1st plus a good young RD looks a heck of a lot better than a 2nd or a 1st plus 3rd to me...

I just want to see a team or teams hit Toronto with one-year offer sheets at the top of the 2nd round compensation bracket (probably around $4.2M) for Johnsson and Kapanen. Don't let them bring those guys back for relatively cheap.

Yeah, I mentioned this is in the Red Wings forum a week or so ago. I would be willing to give up a 2nd round pick for Kapanen. He's young enough he can still be a Red Wing when (if) the rebuild is complete. Odds are whoever the Wings draft in the 2nd round won't be as good as Kapanen.

This wishful thinking only really applies if the Leafs are trying to lowball Kapanen. Looking at comparables Kapanen has earned a bridge in the somewhere around 3mx2. 4x4, 4x5 isn't really that that much more attractive considering that if he believes in himself he's probably banking on earning a 6+ million dollar deal by the end of that bridge. Now they could go down to a 4x2,4x3, but that's eroding the RFA discount on secondary talent and will be majorly frowned upon

Johnsson there's a little more wiggle room considering his bridge comparables are more in the ~2.5x3 range

 

[Cane mutiny]

Counter

Kadri for Faulk, Buff 2nd, Mattheos

No on adding Mattheos. Faulk and the early second is enough.

 

[obey86]

This wishful thinking only really applies if the Leafs are trying to lowball Kapanen. Looking at comparables Kapanen has earned a bridge in the somewhere around 3mx2. 4x4, 4x5 isn't really that that much more attractive considering that if he believes in himself he's probably banking on earning a 6+ million dollar deal by the end of that bridge. Now they could go down to a 4x2,4x3, but that's eroding the RFA discount on secondary talent and will be majorly frowned upon

Johnsson there's a little more wiggle room considering his bridge comparables are more in the ~2.5x3 range

You may be right, although I don’t quite understand what you mean by “eroding the RFA discount” or why it would be majorly frowned upon?