Proposal: Kapanen to CAR (not for Pesce)

[spockBokk]

Kapanen to CAR for their 2019 1st + Roland Mckeown

Thoughts?

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[TOGuy14]

Kapanen to CAR for their 2019 1st + Roland Mckeown

Thoughts?

Not trading a top six winger for a late 1st and busting prospect.

Easy no from Toronto.

 

[spockBokk]

Not trading a top six winger for a late 1st and busting prospect.

Easy no from Toronto.

Fair enough, but...

Mckeown is far from a bust and is NHL ready. The only reason he’s still in the AHL is CAR’d obscene NHL RD depth. I absolutely do not see CAR moving Pesce or Hamilton this summer, and TVR/Faulk don’t get it done from a TOR perspective. Figured the 1st plus a young 3rd pair RD with potential along with solving a good bit of the cap issues that will come to bear this summer may be enough.

 

[Zip15]

I just want to see a team or teams hit Toronto with one-year offer sheets at the top of the 2nd round compensation bracket (probably around $4.2M) for Johnsson and Kapanen. Don't let them bring those guys back for relatively cheap.

 

[varano]

I just want to see a team or teams hit Toronto with one-year offer sheets at the top of the 2nd round compensation bracket (probably around $4.2M) for Johnsson and Kapanen. Don't let them bring those guys back for relatively cheap.

Schattenfreude?

 

[Mersss]

Not trading a top six winger for a late 1st and busting prospect.

Easy no from Toronto.

I do not see a top6 winger.

I see a winger who's going to get paid because he rode 1st line w1 Matthews and piled up points with hiim.

 

[Zip15]

Schattenfreude?

Toronto's a good team. Other teams should do what they can to prevent them from re-signing good players for cheap, allowing them to keep other good players. It's not personal.

 

[spockBokk]

I just want to see a team or teams hit Toronto with one-year offer sheets at the top of the 2nd round compensation bracket (probably around $4.2M) for Johnsson and Kapanen. Don't let them bring those guys back for relatively cheap.

Another consideration for TOR here.

There probably is a real danger of an offer sheet to Kapanen or Johnsson that would either put them in quite a bind capwise or in what they’d be getting back, potentially only a 2nd for a sheet around $4M. A 1st plus a good young RD looks a heck of a lot better than a 2nd or a 1st plus 3rd to me...

 

[firstemperor]

We're not great trade partners, only player Leafs could really use is Pesce. I don't think anyone loves the idea of Faulk, and both teams seem to be in win-now mode.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Another consideration for TOR here.

There probably is a real danger of an offer sheet to Kapanen or Johnsson that would either put them in quite a bind capwise or in what they’d be getting back, potentially only a 2nd for a sheet around $4M. A 1st plus a good young RD looks a heck of a lot better than a 2nd or a 1st plus 3rd to me...

there's been 8 offer sheets signed in the cap era, and none in the last 6 years. Try to keep perspective on how big that threat is for complimentary level players.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I do not see a top6 winger.

I see a winger who's going to get paid because he rode 1st line w1 Matthews and piled up points with hiim.

Fringe top 6 talent but more accurate to say middle 6 talent. However, as always with the Leafs, they will call him a 3rd liner when they negotiate the contract but if they want to trade him, he is a top 6 forward. Same BS with Nylander.

 

[WTFMAN99]

McKeown is probably a solid #6 and the 1st is in a mediocre draft.

Probably not worthwhile for a young middle 6 wing with great tools

*had to edit*

 

[spockBokk]

McKeown is probably a solid #6 and the 1st is in a mediocre draft. Not worth a 2C.

He's 3C because the Leafs have Matthews and Tavares. If you have centre talent like that, great, he's a good 3C for you and if you need a 2C, then he's a good player at a good cap hit. More effective at 2c IMO.

Um...what?

Asking for Kapanen here, not Kadri...

 

[WTFMAN99]

Um...what?

Asking for Kapanen here, not Kadri...

Yep, started typing, got tied up with work and came back forgot which thread I was in. Edited

 

[Frenzy31]

there's been 8 offer sheets signed in the cap era, and none in the last 6 years. Try to keep perspective on how big that threat is for complimentary level players.

This is true, but we also are also now seeing cap strapped teams with RFAs that are attractive for really the first time since the salary cap went into play. And it isn’t just 1 player, but teams with multiple players that they really don’t have room for cap wise. Usually you have to overpay dramically, but both Tampa and Toronto have real issues and team can make a reasonable offer that wouldn’t be a dramatic overpayment to get a player.

The acquisition cost is low. 4 million is only a 2nd rounder. Due to the increase in salary cap, and the low cost associated with offer sheeting in terms of Assets. I really think teams will go after Toronto’s secondary players.

 

[Randy Randerson]

This is true, but we also are also now seeing cap strapped teams with RFAs that are attractive for really the first time since the salary cap went into play. And it isn’t just 1 player, but teams with multiple players that they really don’t have room for cap wise. Usually you have to overpay dramically, but both Tampa and Toronto have real issues and team can make a reasonable offer that wouldn’t be a dramatic overpayment to get a player.

The acquisition cost is low. 4 million is only a 2nd rounder. Due to the increase in salary cap, and the low cost associated with offer sheeting in terms of Assets. I really think teams will go after Toronto’s secondary players.

it's still a stretch to view that as a high likelihood event, Toronto isn't the first team in the last 6 years to be in this position, they're on the high risk end of the spectrum for a very low probability event

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

it's still a stretch to view that as a high likelihood event, Toronto isn't the first team in the last 6 years to be in this position, they're on the high risk end of the spectrum for a very low probability event

People are letting their personal feelings towards the leafs cloud their judgement.

I’d love to see it happen but it’s highly, highly unlikely.

 

[YP44]

I think the value is fair. Maybe it would be more interesting to Toronto if it was a 2020 first. That way they could use the pick at next year's deadline to bring someone in.

 

[BAM]

I just want to see a team or teams hit Toronto with one-year offer sheets at the top of the 2nd round compensation bracket (probably around $4.2M) for Johnsson and Kapanen. Don't let them bring those guys back for relatively cheap.

Yup, just the Leafs. Not the Bolts or Jets who have even less cap space than the Leafs do.

The obsession with the Leafs with "neutral" fans is hilarious.

 

[JetsHomer]

They would only have to give up a 2nd if they offer sheeted him, don't see the Leads getting much more than that

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

They would only have to give up a 2nd if they offer sheeted him, don't see the Leads getting much more than that

The Leafs would match any offer-sheet that only required a 2nd round pick to be given. If the Leafs trade him, I think they will get more than a 2nd.

 

[JetsHomer]

The Leafs would match any offer-sheet that only required a 2nd round pick to be given. If the Leafs trade him, I think they will get more than a 2nd.

The Leafs can't afford to match a 4m dollar offer sheet as they have no cap space as soon as they sign Marner

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

The Leafs can't afford to match a 4m dollar offer sheet as they have no cap space as soon as they sign Marner

There aren't only 2 options. The Leafs have other options to clear cap space if the so choose (Johnsson, Brown, Zaitsev, Nylander, etc...). Kapanen is likely to get at least $3M when he re-signs. An extra $1M isn't going to make Toronto make a dumb move.

 

[MisterT]

Fringe top 6 talent but more accurate to say middle 6 talent. However, as always with the Leafs, they will call him a 3rd liner when they negotiate the contract but if they want to trade him, he is a top 6 forward. Same BS with Nylander.

You should see the crap Habs fans say about the value of Drouin. You'd almost think he was a point-per-game player throughout his career rather than the near bust 3rd liner he actually is.

Oops, you're one of them.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You should see the crap Habs fans say about the value of Drouin. You'd almost think he was a point-per-game player throughout his career rather than the near bust 3rd liner he actually is.

Oops, you're one of them.

You missed the point. My motives are about not devaluing Drouin beyond what it is. It's against exaggeration but you don't see that. You rather trade Drouin for a bag of pucks cause your a frustrated and this clouds your judgment.

Same treatment the Flames are putting on Monahan. He disappoints and there is always someone to blame. How about thinking of it this way? Move Monahan to 2C and try to find someone better than him at 1C? What about Drouin? Why not try to surround him with better talent that compliment his skills? Why do we expect Drouin to lead us or he sucks. Why exaggerate?