Prospect Info: K'Andre Miller (D) - Part III

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    I'm surprised how well thought of Miller remains. Players whose performances are trending downwards before they make it to the NHL, don't fill me with high hopes. Haven't seen Reunanen and Robertson, but out of the others listed, I like Lindgren and Jones.

    Shocked that anyone here believes that Miller could possibly have the upside of Seth Jones.

    Decision making with the puck is sort of important and I don't believe that is something you get when the game gets faster and more physical in the NHL.
     
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    Well, the endless excuses this season of his "regression" if you could call it that, make me feel that fans still expect him to be a superstar
     
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    I would be ecstatic with the first two results and happy with the last two. I see him being a physical d-man but not as a fighter like Manson though the rest of his game might turn out comparable to Manson.

    A lot of people don't like fighting but to fight well on the ice is a real skill and more often than not it comes with taking a few beatings or losses and rising above that and getting better. Someone must have taught DeAngelo a few lessons because he's really cagy out there when it comes to that.

    Gord Murphy is an assistant coach in Hartford. I'm pretty sure he played over 1000 NHL games. He should be the perfect guy to get Miller on the right track as a pro. I think the Rangers really want Miller to succeed and they'll work hard with him.
     
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    I, for one, think such conclusions may be premature.
    I also think projections suggesting KM makes a difference at NHL level next season are baseless and premature.

    From the draft moment, KM was acknowledged as a work in process.
    But with a high ceiling. Size and athleticism cannot be taught.
    The kid came late to playing D.

    Despite fanbase-wide impatience, and the regular comparisons to guys who happen to make NHL impact at 18-21, for K'Andre, as with others, IMHO we won't really have evidence, about what he will become, until after his first pro season, or even later, like ~January '22...
    Drafting him in 1st round was long-term investment, not short-term
     
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    Gord Murphy Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com
    Gord Murphy at eliteprospects.com
    Gord Murphy Team Staff Profile - Elite Prospects
    862 RS games + 53 postseason
    NHL assistant coach continually beginning '02-02 into early'18-19

    i agree, Murphy is key to development of Miller, also Rykov, Reunanen, Hajek, and likely Lundkvist, Robertson, Skinner, Jones ...
    Despite the fast start (thank you Chytil, Lindgren, Keane and Shesty) I think the new coaching staff had an inconsistent 1st season, and hopefully will be better going forward.
    Less Lias/Krav drama will also help ....
     
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    His play in the NZ more or less ensures that he will be better than Moore.

    The things he excels at are probably the most important things for a defenseman today. Seth Jones he is not, but Parayko he could be.
     
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    Or maybe just Clendening
     
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    Nah, Clendening's shortcomings were completely different and he is tiny.

    K'Andre will play and play for a while. At how high a level? No one can answer that but anyone who controls the NZ like he does is going to stick around for a bit.
     
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    The thing with Miller is that he’s good enough to shut down a variety of different players, and athletically speaking. He’s going to play.

    The simpler, or dare I should say, the most positively decisive game can that K’ can play is what will make him an effective player.

    Poor decision making means AHL time. Period. If he’s screwing up, he’s getting sent down to try and earn a look.
     
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    They say you can’t teach size and speed, but you also can’t teach instinct, which is what makes a D-man truly great. I hope at the very least he’s serviceable. We’ll get a good idea once he starts getting AHL action. But being a LHD when we’re short of them right now makes his growth paramount. I hope he’s able to put it all together.
     
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    Lots of players go through sophomore slumps, and lots of players go on from there to be great.
     
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    I was one of his biggest critics this season (and have seen plenty of mental gymnastics defending his play on here), but I’m actually a pretty big fan of the Seth Jones comparison.

    If all goes according to plan, the upside and style of play is eerily similar to Jones. Miller has scored a lot in college but the way he’s scoring isn’t going to translate perfectly. His defense and neutral zone game will be his calling card. He’s talented enough to put up points still though.
     
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    Ryan McDonagh is a good example
     
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    McD’s scoring slowed down, but his play didn’t in my opinion. His scoring was also poor his junior year, but he was a dominant force out there. Probably the best defensive hockey player in college.

    That was just putrid scouting by Montreal. McDonagh was a monster sophomore and junior year. He was also a wrecking ball - unfortunately that aspect of his game never translated to the NHL.

    I’m nitpicking obviously though, and agree with your overall point that slumps happen and it’s not the end of the world.
     
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    Leave him in college the entire 4 years and then 1 year of wolfpack and if he is ready half way through the year bring him up if theres a spot. If not give him every chance to succeed. He is still undercooked and needs more reps. He has too many tools to be special to blow it with him by rushing him because the fans are hyping him up. Although I know the Rangers are not stupid or in a position of need to rush him so I am not worried about it.
     
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    Too late. His college career is over.
     
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    Brett Burns and Dustin Byfuglien both shifted between forward and defense when they came into the NHL and both have been fine. I lived in Minnesota and watched Burns transition to defense up close and he had some growing pains. Give K’Andre a year in Hartford. He will be fine. Let’s remember that Wisconsin was a dumpster fire last year.
     
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    Give K at least 2 years in Hartford if he is not returning to school. Just dont rush him.
     
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    He can't. The moment he signed his pro contract, he is officially no longer allowed to play college hockey
     
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    Agree. I've thought that Miller was needing two years in the AHL to unscrew the disaster that was the Wisconsin program. I can only hope this works for Kravtsov as well.
     
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    I think Miller was always 4 years away on draft day with how raw he is. Kravtsov now has Ronning and Miller there in Hartford who he is friends with. That should help.
     
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    Have you been keeping in touch with him?
     
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    Who? Miller, Ronning or Kravtsov?
     
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    Playing Miller as a forward on the PP this year certainly didn’t help him at all.

    I have more issue wirh Wisconsin coaching this year than anything else. Glad he left.
     
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