Kaepernick agent: No return calls from Jets, Saints and Steelers

[YEM]

I disagree. Nfl and their lawyers fight it the whole way if they have a sealed shut case. They didn't.

agreed
nfl is a multi-billion dollar corporation with dozens and dozens of lawyers at their disposal
akin to someone suing a big pharmaceutical company

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Miami wont touch him after the Castro debacle as pointed out by Clowe

He is no go for Dolphins for that reason alone

Ugh ya, forgot that other stupid misstep. Really wish he were a brighter dude, because I honestly agree with him and think his point to be valid- but that's not the discussion here.

So not Miami, but if some other team shits the bed and needs a QB to finish out the season- for the love of god, someone sign him so we can put this to rest. Either he has it and (hopefully) the attention shifts to football or he's no good and it's finally the end, but blackballing the dude has just made the issue worse. Even that's probably wishful thinking though- Kap gets resigned and the back-and-forth between him and Trump just starts up again.

 

[member 157595]

I don't think he wants a banged up body for pennies on the dollar either.

Yup. Makes no sense whatsoever for Kaepernick.

 

[tacogeoff]

I dont think any of the listed teams really require his service. The season is already heading into week four in full swing, he has been out of football quite a while. Saints and the Jets have their guys returning. I guess Pitts could use him as a backup for Rudolph but it all comes down to if they want to pay a premium price for a backup qb.

 

[mouser]

I disagree. Nfl and their lawyers fight it the whole way if they have a sealed shut case. They didn't.

And if Kaep thought he had a sealed shut case no way he settles for as little as he did.

It's not at all unusual in suits like this for the deep pocketed party to settle. The NFL could want it done and be willing to settle for reasons other then guilt. For example, getting rid of the public distraction. Or more likely they don't want to risk unflattering internal communications and documents potentially made public via discovery. Communications that don't necessarily make Kaep's case stronger, but make the NFL look bad regardless.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Yep they settled to get the story to go away which for most part it has

As seen here Kaep's own PR team had to try and get story back into news and not even ESPN is running with it

Kaep also received backlash for settling especially when it became apparent it was not a big settlement which further proved he didn't have strong case

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

And if Kaep thought he had a sealed shut case no way he settles for as little as he did.

It's not at all unusual in suits like this for the deep pocketed party to settle. The NFL could want it done and be willing to settle for reasons other then guilt. For example, getting rid of the public distraction. Or more likely they don't want to risk unflattering internal communications and documents potentially made public via discovery. Communications that don't necessarily make Kaep's case stronger, but make the NFL look bad regardless.

I'm thinking the league probably used it's many resources to dig into Kap's past and probably foind stuff he didn't want made public, ala those twitter people who find tweets from 100 years ago.

Both sides probably just wanted to avoid potential embarrassment. I don't think it means Kap didn't have a case, though.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Yep they settled to get the story to go away which for most part it has

As seen here Kaep's own PR team had to try and get story back into news and not even ESPN is running with it

Kaep also received backlash for settling especially when it became apparent it was not a big settlement which further proved he didn't have strong case[

Disagree there. He could have done it with the hopes of calling bygones bygones and getting back into the league. Taking no money settlement would have been admitting no case, imo, since the league has as more resources and lawyers than Kap could ever dream of. They didn't get that way by giving away ~10 mil to every player that screams foul.[/QUOTE]

 

[DangleCity]

Yup. Makes no sense whatsoever for Kaepernick.

Go prove you can still play and want to play.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

I'm thinking the league probably used it's many resources to dig into Kap's past and probably foind stuff he didn't want made public, ala those twitter people who find tweets from 100 years ago.

Both sides probably just wanted to avoid potential embarrassment. I don't think it means Kap didn't have a case, though.

Fascinating so you can speculate away about NFL and what it may or may not have done but if someone speculates about Kaep/His strategy or decisions you get irate about it and demand some proof to back up theory , etc

 

[YEM]

which further proved he didn't have strong case

there are arguments [good ones too] on both sides for why each party would settle
a lot of us are guilty of making presumptions about why it was settled
but let's stop pretending that there's any definitive facts or proof regarding the merits of either side of the case, the settlement proves nothing at all.
I think the NFL settled because they didn't have a strong position, yet the real reason why they settled might have been because they didn't want certain info getting out via discovery & their case might have been a guaranteed winner...

 

[Voight]

I disagree. Nfl and their lawyers fight it the whole way if they have a sealed shut case. They didn't.

NFL was about to start up celebrations for its 100th season. It more than likely didn't want the bad PR about the whole Kaepernick thing lingering around. They wanted the focus to be 100% on football / the history of the league.

When they found out it wouldn't be expensive, it was a no brainer.

Then Jay Z joined forces to make them look better.

 

[Voight]

Didn't he just win a lawsuit against the NFL accusing the league of this?

Surely he must be better than Paxton Lynch (Steelers just signed to ther practice squad) and Devlin (current backup and UDFA). With that being said, the media circus around his presence would be too much of a distraction for most teams.

Steelers like things to be quiet IMO. Don't want any non-football news taking away attention from the team.

Rooney's don't like commotion.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Fascinating so you can speculate away about NFL and what it may or may not have done but if someone speculates about Kaep/His strategy or decisions you get irate about it and demand some proof to back up theory , etc

There's a huge difference between theories and misinformation/lies.

I haven't gotten 'irate' about anyone's opinion. I've gotten annoyed at some people posting things that are not factual.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

NFL was about to start up celebrations for its 100th season. It more than likely didn't want the bad PR about the whole Kaepernick thing lingering around. They wanted the focus to be 100% on football / the history of the league.

When they found out it wouldn't be expensive, it was a no brainer.

Then Jay Z joined forces to make them look better.

Multi-billion dollar companies don't hand over multi-million dollar settlements for nothing, distraction or not. They didn't want their image tarnished in any way.

 

[Voight]

Multi-billion dollar companies don't hand over multi-million dollar settlements for nothing, distraction or not. They didn't want their image tarnished in any way.

The NFL's image wasn't tarnished lol.

I guarantee the same number of people, if not even more, are watching football today vs 3 years ago. Nearly everyone doesn't think of them any less for what happened.

& again, if Kaep had a ton of evidence or it was concrete, he wouldn't of sold out. He clearly had a price in mind when starting his campaign against the NFL.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

The NFL's image wasn't tarnished lol.

I guarantee the same number of people, if not even more, are watching football today vs 3 years ago. Nearly everyone doesn't think of them any less for what happened.

& again, if Kaep had a ton of evidence or it was concrete, he wouldn't of sold out. He clearly had a price in mind when starting his campaign against the NFL.

Did you not understand what I said? I said the nfl settled to avoid tarnishing their image in court. Obviously a non-disclosure financial settlement spares them that.

The rest is opinion we won't agree on.

 

[mouser]

there are arguments [good ones too] on both sides for why each party would settle
a lot of us are guilty of making presumptions about why it was settled
but let's stop pretending that there's any definitive facts or proof regarding the merits of either side of the case, the settlement proves nothing at all.
I think the NFL settled because they didn't have a strong position, yet the real reason why they settled might have been because they didn't want certain info getting out via discovery & their case might have been a guaranteed winner...

Obviously both sides were willing to settle or it wouldn’t have happened. Personally I lean more towards Kaep and his lawyers feeling they had the weaker position, simply based on the financials. If Kaep had won the case showing collusion he would have gotten 10x-30x what he settled for. If both sides thought Kaep’s case was stronger then the settlement should have been larger then it was IMO.

 

[TheAngryHank]

Obviously both sides were willing to settle or it wouldn’t have happened. Personally I lean more towards Kaep and his lawyers feeling they had the weaker position, simply based on the financials. If Kaep had won the case showing collusion he would have gotten 10x-30x what he settled for. If both sides thought Kaep’s case was stronger then the settlement should have been larger then it was IMO.

One doesn't pay a hooker for action ,they pay them to go away. I see no difference in this situation, chucked Kaep peanuts to go away. Mind you it's a lot of $$ to most of us.

 

[Voight]

Did you not understand what I said? I said the nfl settled to avoid tarnishing their image in court. Obviously a non-disclosure financial settlement spares them that.

The rest is opinion we won't agree on.

Their image would have barely been tarnished, unless he had a mountain of evidence (which its clear he didn't). This is a league that didn't really give a damn about domestic violence until a couple years ago. Didn't stop people from watching.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Their image would have barely been tarnished, unless he had a mountain of evidence (which its clear he didn't).

You don't know that for a fact.

This is a league that didn't really give a damn about domestic violence until a couple years ago. Didn't stop people from watching.

That's a logical fallacy. Just because one isn't right doesn't mean the other is less wrong.

People watching or showing up is irrelevant to right and wrong.

 

[Voight]

You don't know that for a fact.


That's a logical fallacy. Just because one isn't right doesn't mean the other is less wrong.

People watching or showing up is irrelevant to right and wrong.

Its as close to a fact as you will get with this confidential settlement.

Tell me, why on earth would he settle if he had irrefutable evidence that would give him an easy win + massive payout in court? He didn't have much of a reason to get this case over with; it wasn't going to make a team sign him any faster.

Even if people like you think the league did him "wrong" it does not hurt their image. Hence why Kaepernick is barely mentioned on the news anymore and even people like Jay Z have moved on from him (ironically to partner with the NFL/owners).

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Its as close to a fact as you will get with this confidential settlement.

Tell me, why on earth would he settle if he had irrefutable evidence that would give him an easy win + massive payout in court? He didn't have much of a reason to get this case over with; it wasn't going to make a team sign him any faster.

Even if people like you think the league did him "wrong" it does not hurt their image. Hence why Kaepernick is barely mentioned on the news anymore and even people like Jay Z have moved on from him (ironically to partner with the NFL/owners).

Tell me, why on earth would a company pay a man around 10 million for his silence? Companies don't get and stay rich by giving multi-million dollar settlements to anyone who complains.

Who knows why he settled exactly. It's an nda, so all we can do is speculate.

Jay Z is a sell out himself. Him cutting a deal with the nfl is just him being him. The nfl cutting the deal is good for their image. Simple as that.

Kaepernick's image and merch is huge with a demographic you probably couldn't care less about, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Just ask Nike.

And what do you mean by people like me? Someone who is actially well-versed in US history? A non-white? Something else??

 

[YEM]

Obviously both sides were willing to settle or it wouldn’t have happened. Personally I lean more towards Kaep and his lawyers feeling they had the weaker position, simply based on the financials. If Kaep had won the case showing collusion he would have gotten 10x-30x what he settled for. If both sides thought Kaep’s case was stronger then the settlement should have been larger then it was IMO.

very possible
I'm a lawyer. I've seen clients settle when they've had airtight slam dunk cases. I've seen clients refuse to settle while having very suspect cases. I imagine most lawyers with experience in civil cases have seen the same, cases get settled for a million different reasons. Judges encourage settlements. Some types of cases in some states go to mandatory mediation well before trial to attempt to try to get the parties to settle.

 

[member 157595]

Go prove you can still play and want to play.

It doesn't make sense in his financial position to play CFL football though. Too risky for a guy worth tens of millions of dollars.

I remember a quote by Corey Dillon: "I like playing football, but I wouldn't do it for free. I'm not in it for the glory."