Brovalchuk
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Kaberle vs. Markov
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Kaberle was a great PMD in his prime, Markov was a top 5 D (at that time) in his prime
hamzarocks
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What year was Markov a top 5D?
Lidstrom, Niedermayer, Pronger, Chara were all better then him from 06 to 2010
If he was top 5 it was 5th and a very close 5th which could be shared with several players for maybe 2 years
Gonchar, Phaneuf were all similar level or better from 06 - 10, with Mike Green being better in the final two years of that period, equal in 1, and much worse in 2.
He was a top 10 defender from 08-10, but wasn't really top 5. I'd still give him the vote over kaberle who was closer to top 15 then top 10 but Markov is being overrated if you have him as a surefire top 5D in his prime
Markov was better, but Kaberle gets underrated because his career went downhill quickly after Toronto and he looked soft in Boston.
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Markov never once finished top 5 in Norris voting but was a top 5 D in his prime?
you can be a top 5 D over time and not a top 5 in any individual years. Why is that confusing?
dukeofjive
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Markov made so many players look great beside him on that blue line, was a trooper for the habs for such a long time, too bad is kneee injuries cut is prime short, miss him and habs have not been the same team since he left, terrible PP since the general left.
Oh and f*** bargain bin for not giving him a 1 or 2 year contract and getting alzner insead.
Oh and f*** bargain bin for not giving him a 1 or 2 year contract and getting alzner insead.
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Shocked there is a single vote for Kaberle here. Markov is honestly worth 1.5x Kaberle for me
Top 5 is very debatable I’ll give you that but in 2008-2009 he was amazing. The problem with Marky is that he hit his prime around that year and got injured real bad the next years and basically missed 2 1/2 seasons when he was at his top.
Green, Gonchar and Phaneuf were great but Markov was better defensively and very similar offensively.
No just tied at top 6 while finishing second in pts playing for the offensive black hole Habs at that timeMarkov never once finished top 5 in Norris voting but was a top 5 D in his prime?
I Hate Blake Coleman
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Gonchar and Green had more points playing for powerhouse teams and let's be honest man, Mike Green was a disaster defensively and Gonchar was just marginally better. Phaneuf was so overrated and revealed his true colors. From 07-10, only Chara, Lidstrom, Pronger, Niedermayer (when he played) were consistently better than Markov. Dude should have been at least nominated for Norris in 07-08 and 08-09.
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That was a dark day when Bergy refused to give Markov the 2-year deal he was looking for. All he wanted was to hit 1000 games and retire a Hab - which he absolutely deserved.
Has to be Markov. Was a better player in his prime, and had significantly more longevity.
Even if you ignored the first phase of their careers and pretended they were equal age 20-34, at age 34 Kaberle was out of the league and Markov was beginning a 5 year run where he put up 203 points in 354 games, and played 24 minutes a night as a top pairing defenceman from age 34-38.
Even if you ignored the first phase of their careers and pretended they were equal age 20-34, at age 34 Kaberle was out of the league and Markov was beginning a 5 year run where he put up 203 points in 354 games, and played 24 minutes a night as a top pairing defenceman from age 34-38.
