Confirmed with Link: Justin Williams Stepping Away

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... and now I question if the name of the very Braveheartian Scots' Celts' elite troop 'woad raider' in AoE II is actually a play on 'road warrior'.

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cptjeff

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To be fair, it's slightly different. The 3-A approach is pretty typical in the NHL these days, going back to the Bobby Orr era Bruins. The idea of a "home captain" and "road captain" was a Peters era spin that I've never seen on any other team.
The Sabres did that with Drury and Briere for a season, IIRC. It got abandoned in favor of making Drury the full time captain. After they both left, they were rotating the C on a monthly basis for a while.

And obviously, if there's a franchise whose leadership qualities we should emulate, it's Buffalo.
 

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This is disgusting, and the worst of all possible outcomes. The impact it has is likely to be similar to the "Two Captains" debacle of two years ago. If you are going to retire, retire, and pass the torch. This will leave whoever takes over the mantle of leadership weakened, and looking over his shoulder wondering if the true leader will suddenly appear halfway through the season.
 

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Sat on it for a couple days. He established himself as the leader of the team. You cant deny the cred he's built up over the years. But I dont see how he can come back unless they completely suck to start the year

If they suck or someone gets injured then it's Bobby Boucher coming back at halftime to win the Bourbon Bowl and everyone is happy.

If they are legit contenders then you have a "leader" who abandoned you when it was convenient for him and then wants back in when there's glory to be had. As much as I appreciate Williams I cant get around that.
 

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This is disgusting, and the worst of all possible outcomes. The impact it has is likely to be similar to the "Two Captains" debacle of two years ago. If you are going to retire, retire, and pass the torch. This will leave whoever takes over the mantle of leadership weakened, and looking over his shoulder wondering if the true leader will suddenly appear halfway through the season.
Almost every taek you ever have is disgusting
 

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True, but there is some stuff I like. I thought the Nino signing was amazeballs, for instance.

But do you disagree that Williams leaving everyone in limbo is a worse outcome than either retiring or staying on?
I would have preferred a definitive answer, yes. Disgusting is just a bit much. It's all good, I was just messing with you.
 

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True, but there is some stuff I like. I thought the Nino signing was amazeballs, for instance.

But do you disagree that Williams leaving everyone in limbo is a worse outcome than either retiring or staying on?

I don't actually think the org was in nearly as much limbo as we seem to believe.

The fans were, certainly, but eh.
 

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This is false, right? The Hurricanes have had plenty of lineups without a "C" in the past. It's possible that they had a "C" on the lineup card buy an "A" on their jersey, but I would've guessed that not to be the case.

Cs and As on jerseys are one thing. They can be changed at any time. Players miss games, etc.

But the lineup card is something completely different. It's an official league document. Before every game, a member of the staff (some coaches do it themselves, but most would rather rely on somebody more directly involved in the team registry) lists every player eligible for the game on the lineup card. The head coach then scratches players who won't play down to the maximum of 18 skaters and two goalies, circles his starting lineup, and designates one captain and two alternates.

Generally, the leaders will have corresponding letters on their jerseys, but it is not a requirement. For example, the "official" captain may miss a game with an injury. In that case, especially if it's a short-term absence, no player will wear a "C" on his jersey for that game. But the coach, in fact, has to designate a captain on the lineup card. He can do that from among the "official" alternates, who wear As on their jerseys, or among any non-goalies in the lineup that night.

I can tell you that under Laviolette after Francis was traded in 2004, I saw multiple lineup cards submitted to officials that had players designated as "Captain" that the public never knew about. Sean Hill, Bret Hedican, Kevyn Adams.

Even before the 2017-18 two-captain debacle, our 2016-17 team had no declared captain.

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But I assure you, every game, a captain and two alternates were designated on the lineup card from among *active* players.
 

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Well, I agree with him totally. The way his situation was handled is that he was shamefully and ignominiously stripped of his Captaincy because Rutherford had a spaz attack because a team that over performed in the playoffs and he did little to improve lost like 17 games in a row. This is a guy that had recently led the team to a Stanley Cup (yes I realize he was like a negative 1 million that year) And then that C was given to a guy who as great as he was won everything in his rookie year and just was content to mail it in from there on out.

One might even say the way RBD's retirement was handled was..."disgusting"
 
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Well, I agree with him totally. The way his situation was handled is that he was shamefully and ignominiously stripped of his Captaincy because Rutherford had a spaz attack because a team that over performed in the playoffs and he did little to improve lost like 17 games in a row. This is a guy that had recently led the team to a Stanley Cup (yes I realize he was like a negative 1 million that year) And then that C was given to a guy who as great as he was won everything in his rookie year and just was content to mail it in from there on out.

One might even say the way RBD's retirement was handled was..."disgusting"
Calling him RBD is disgusting.
 

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I would have preferred a definitive answer, yes. Disgusting is just a bit much. It's all good, I was just messing with you.
Give him credit though. You said almost every taek he has is disgusting and he said “true”. Kudos to him for owning up to disgusting taeks.
 
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I don't actually think the org was in nearly as much limbo as we seem to believe.

The fans were, certainly, but eh.

Confirmation:

Head coach Rod Brind’Amour: “We chatted all summer, this wasn’t a surprise. Justin came to his decision, I knew a long time before that but I was kind of hoping maybe he’d lean a different way, but he’s in a real good place and that’s the important thing.

Five takeaways from media day: Lots of Justin Williams, good...
 

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Another quote, this one from Martinook:

"If he does come back it’ll be like nothing ever happened, if he doesn’t a couple other guys are going to have to kind of carry the load and have a bigger voice. It’s opportunity for other guys to develop into leaders. You look at the Ahos and the Teravainens and the good, young players. One day this is going to have to be on their shoulders. It doesn’t have to be this year, but everybody can grow each year and the guys that were a bigger voice last year can take it to the next level and carry on the foundation."

So this may be another vote for "no captain this year, Aho as A this year and C next year."
 

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Good. It balances the two captains year, and we will be on the norm, on the average.
 
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True, but there is some stuff I like. I thought the Nino signing was amazeballs, for instance.

But do you disagree that Williams leaving everyone in limbo is a worse outcome than either retiring or staying on?

I mean, at his age and what he's accomplished I think it's understandable. Sure it's not the outcome we wanted but we all knew it was a possibility as did the front office.
 

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Give him credit though. You said almost every taek he has is disgusting and he said “true”. Kudos to him for owning up to disgusting taeks.

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