GDT: July 1st, 2018 - Canes Free Agency Thread

[cptjeff]

Challenge — without including our #2 overall picks of Staal and Svechnikov, identify any 4-year stretch of Hurricanes first rounders who we wouldn’t trade for Matthews and walk away laughing.

Necas-Bean-Hanifin-Fleury comes closest, but yeah. I still do that deal in a heartbeat.

Still, until I see an offer sheet like that actually happen, offer sheets are myths.

 

[DaveG]

Challenge — without including our #2 overall picks of Staal and Svechnikov, identify any 4-year stretch of Hurricanes first rounders who we wouldn’t trade for Matthews and walk away laughing.

Can't do it, and that's a HUGE part of the problem with this franchise. Even dating back to when the team moved here in 97 we haven't been bad enough to land impact players. It took luck (shit luck in the case of injuries in 02-03 for Staal, ping pong balls for Svechnikov) to even sniff the #2 picks we did get. Had we kept the 2012 pick instead of the Jordan trade then Forsberg-Lindholm-Fleury-Hanifin is a no brainer to keep instead.
Edit: And that was assuming a best-case scenario. Had we taken Grigorenko as expected then Lindholm-Fleury-Hanifin-bust for Matthews is still a laugher.

 

[Lempo]

I totes forgot the "do unto others" dimension of the offer sheet: make the years so that the SPC ends right at the point when the player reaches UFA eligibility

Them TOR boys know that one is the odd man out now, and it's either Nylander or Marner.

 

[DaveG]

I totes forgot the "do unto others" dimension of the offer sheet: make the years so that the SPC ends right at the point when the player reaches UFA eligibility

Them TOR boys know that one is the odd man out now, and it's either Nylander or Marner.

With their need at RHD I'm hoping we're looking at getting a deal around Faulk going for one of them (it's likely going to by Nylander).

On another note how bad is it that I actually want to see Mason as a camp invite at this point just in case Darling, even if he comes back in shape, is still utter dog shit as I expect? Can't say I'd mind us signing McCollum to a two-way for that purpose either as I still think Ned is another year away from being ready for a shot. Not happy that we couldn't at least offer Hutchinson what he got from Florida.

 

[BabchukCanon]

So with rumors of EK65 talking contract negotiations with teams, what would it take for us to get him and Bobby Ryan from the Sens since we could fit both under cap? It’s probably a dumb move but just curious what it would take.

 

[What the Faulk]

Doesn't he have a NTC? If so, it'd start with him not having one.

 

[Svechhammer]

I totes forgot the "do unto others" dimension of the offer sheet: make the years so that the SPC ends right at the point when the player reaches UFA eligibility

Them TOR boys know that one is the odd man out now, and it's either Nylander or Marner.

Does the do unto others aspect of an offer sheet even really apply in practice? Two of the most notable offer sheets I can remember were the Canes sheeting Fedorov and the Flyers sheeting Weber. I can't recall either team being hit with retaliatory offers after that.

 

[Chrispy]

With their need at RHD I'm hoping we're looking at getting a deal around Faulk going for one of them (it's likely going to by Nylander).

On another note how bad is it that I actually want to see Mason as a camp invite at this point just in case Darling, even if he comes back in shape, is still utter dog **** as I expect? Can't say I'd mind us signing McCollum to a two-way for that purpose either as I still think Ned is another year away from being ready for a shot. Not happy that we couldn't at least offer Hutchinson what he got from Florida.

It's bad enough that I'm already scanning rosters for 3 goalies where someone would probably be exposed to waivers at the end of camp. See the Mrazek thread.

 

[Lempo]

Does the do unto others aspect of an offer sheet even really apply in practice? Two of the most notable offer sheets I can remember were the Canes sheeting Fedorov and the Flyers sheeting Weber. I can't recall either team being hit with retaliatory offers after that.

I didn't mean a retaliatory counter-OS, but an OS that was made in order to foremostly screw the other team that can't afford to not match it, rather than actually getting the OSed guy to your team.

One that tips the contract balance for the player and away from the team.

 

[SaskCanesFan]

It's been 2 whole days, why doesn't Aho have an 8 year extension yet ? I'm getting nervous

 

[Canes]

It's been 2 whole days, why doesn't Aho have an 8 year extension yet ? I'm getting nervous

He's holding out for an offer sheet from Kärpät.

 

[Lempo]

It's been 2 whole days, why doesn't Aho have an 8 year extension yet ? I'm getting nervous

There are too many high profile guys around the league that just became extendable. The agents are staring.gif at each other.

Also have to wait out Nylander so the tiers don't get messed up.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

BOOM De Haan 4 years 18.2 million.

THINGS ARE LOOKING UP BOYS

 

[SlavinAway]

BOOM De Haan 4 years 18.2 million.

THINGS ARE LOOKING UP BOYS

Damn. Just saw that. Our D is legit!

 

[A Star is Burns]

If we get all the defensemen ever, who needs goalies???

 

[Brock Anton]

Faulk gone for sure

 

[AeroFishOne]

There’s some money spent fellas

 

[A Star is Burns]

But wait, Dundon is way too cheap to pay anyone ever market value they said. Lots of theys

 

[AeroFishOne]

He must have not been wanted by his old team.

 

[Stammertime91]

What would you guys want from Tampa for Faulk?

 

[RibFrabcus]

What would you guys want from Tampa for Faulk?

Johnson might make sense for both sides

 

[Stammertime91]

Johnson might make sense for both sides

I proposed Johnson, Raddysh, Dotchin and a pick before you guys got De Haan.

What about Johnson, Raddysh and a 1st/2nd? I think highly of Faulk. A 3x 15 goal right handed shot that's in his prime, can move the puck and would get near McDonagh money is something I prefer over gutting us for Karlsson. What do you guys think about that?

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Gah this is so great.

Now we can trade Faulk and just get assets back. There’s no “hole” in the lineup anymore; if Faulk returns an NHL player (vs. futures), it’s an NHL player that is essentially bumping another NHL player down and/or out of the lineup. Not saying there aren’t weaknesses on the team, but there’s not any massive glaring holes either.

Wonder if they take advantage of that by using Faulk to take a shot at a goalie? No goalie move is a guarantee, but if there were ever a time we could take a risk with a major asset, it’s right now.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Gah this is so great.

Now we can trade Faulk and just get assets back. There’s no “hole” in the lineup anymore; if Faulk returns an NHL player (vs. futures), it’s an NHL player that is essentially bumping another NHL player down and/or out of the lineup. Not saying there aren’t weaknesses on the team, but there’s not any massive glaring holes either.

Wonder if they take advantage of that by using Faulk to take a shot at a goalie? No goalie move is a guarantee, but if there were ever a time we could take a risk with a major asset, it’s right now.

This was pretty much the exact thoughts I was having as I took my dog out for a walk a few minutes ago, and it had me grinning ear to ear. There are a lot of great possibilities for a Faulk trade now. This might also explain some of our patience on trades.

As for a Johnson for Faulk, or by all means Johnson+ for Faulk, I'd gladly do that.

 

[SlavinAway]

I proposed Johnson, Raddysh, Dotchin and a pick before you guys got De Haan.

What about Johnson, Raddysh and a 1st/2nd? I think highly of Faulk. A 3x 15 goal right handed shot that's in his prime, can move the puck and would get near McDonagh money is something I prefer over gutting us for Karlsson. What do you guys think about that?

Yeah. I would really like that.