Player Discussion Julien Gauthier

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  1. True Blue Registered User

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    He was playing well. But that does not change the probability that even though he may have been playing well, he was still not doing something that the coaching staff wants him to do.

    He is not sliding anywhere. He is either here and has earned his spot or he is not here.
     
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    I said next year, obliviously not now. We have 4 centers on this team who can take faceoffs, Howden isn't better than any of them.
     
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    Young 6'4 220 lb very fast wingers are a rare breed. I'm more willing than you I guess to find out if he can reach that potential he has flashed.
     
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    The conversation was not about who is the better player. The conversation was about having the best lineup. Especially in the middle of a playoff chase.
    Can you point to a single place where I said that I am not willing to find out if he can reach his potential?
     
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    He doesn't take faceoffs anymore so what does it matter? He's taken 21 faceoffs in the last 20 games. He's taken less faceoffs than Blackwell. He's taken less faceoffs than Kreider. He's only taken a few less than Lafreniere. He's the guy who takes a faceoff only when his center gets booted out and he hasn't even done that well. Over the last 20 games hes at 38% which is worst than pretty much everyone.

    The fact that we rely on him for faceoffs is a myth.


    Kreider and Strome have both been better than Howden on the PK. I have no doubt others would be better too but we wouldn't have to test that theory now.

    Gauthier will be exposed and I would be surpised if he is not taken, simply because I don't see any other options. It will likely be between him and Howden and I don't see how Seattle takes Howden, he fails every statistical and eye test there is. I hope I am wrong but I doubt it.

    Either way we probably lose Gauthier, either via expansion and trade, and life will go on. We don't need Gauthier but I still would have liked a more extended look over a player who we know is awful.
     
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    I would have as well, to be honest. I just do not see it as such a big deal. And I can at least see some thought as to why Howden is in and not Gauthier.

    I will again go back to, with the full realization that this is nothing but conjecture, the likelihood that what has happened is that he is not doing whatever it is that the coaching staff has told him he needs to do. Even on the heels of the last few games where he actually played some of what appeared to be his best hockey.
     
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    I’ve noticed him missing from the lineup as much as I’ve noticed Brendan Lemieux missing from the lineup.
     
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    Losing Gauthier is not a big deal. Or more accurately it probably isn't a big deal. There is always the chance Gauthier goes on to become a really good player elsewhere. That wouldn't surprise me much, he's got the tools.

    But most likely he settles into a lesser role or is out of the league and that's that.

    Keeping a bad 4th liner in the lineup once we start really being competitive is also not a big deal, but its closer. A point or two in the standings might mean the difference between home ice in the playoffs or something and a better 4th line could mean the difference. So that is something to keep an eye on going forward.

    I have no doubt Quinn has some sort of reasoning for his decision making based on what we can't see, I just can't agree with it based on what I actually can see.

    Anyway I've said this before but Quinn isn't alone in having "his guys" who play over others who are, or potentially are, better. Its like every coach, ever. We make it about Quinn because he's so polarizing but its really just the way things are. Barry Trotz, arguably the best coach in the league, had Leo Komarov playing on the top line which is nuts and drove Islanders fans I know crazy. Its just what coaches do.
     
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    Here, I completely agree.
     
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    I’d sit Rooney. I like Rooney but I think developing Gauthier outweighs the immediate benefit of Rooney. The Rangers don’t agree, obviously. And I understand it. And maybe I’m wrong about Gauthier. But that’s how I’d handle it :)
     
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    True. But also I’m thinking of Gauthier as an asset to develop and leverage. He may well have no future with the Rangers but maybe they could walk and chew gum, so to speak. I appreciate the team disagrees. Or hopefully there’s a plan in place we’re not aware of.
     
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    If you're arguing that we need to play Howden over Gauthier because of faceoffs which he doesn't really take and isn't good at and for PK where he isn't really needed then how can you at the same time want to see if Gauthier can reach his potential / develop by playing?
     
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    We just* went 5-3 without Howden in the lineup. Somehow we managed to get by.

    *about a month ago.
     
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    I have never understood why Quinn did not give Gauthier a consistent chance.

    But as to the expansion draft keep in mind that Guathier was drafted #21 by Carolina in 2016. The GM of Carolina in 2016? Ron Francis. Who could Ron Francis have chosen? Brett Howden drafted #27 by Tampa Bay. Who traded Gauthier? The GM that replaced Francis.

    If I'm Francis and I have a chance to pick a guy with whom I am familiar, who is young and has offensive upside or a guy with hands of stone who is a perfectly fine fourth line player with little upside, I think I'm taking Gauthier.

     
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    If Gauthier is available I think it’s almost a lock Seattle takes him

    Previous relationship with GM aside, if I’m building a team I’ll take a chance on a 6’4 power winger who’s a former 1st rounder and still young

    It’s a no brainer. And it’s not like the other options the Rangers will make available are all that enticing
     
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    And if you replaced Howden with Gaithier, how many more wins would have happened?
     
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    My argument is that It.....Just.....Doesn’t.....Matter.

    There may be more to Gauhier’s game. I certainly hope so as he as showing a bit more. But right now, there simply is no room for him to show it as he game does bubkas as a fourth liner. And if the thought is that they would rather have a better PKer and face off guy than him playing on the 4th line, it matters very, very little.
     
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    Honestly, feel much the same. But am willing to give a pass for right now, as really all that matters is the chase. And that probably, to be honest, outweighs whatever Eva lie he may or may not have.
     
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    Gauthier played in a few of those games.

    But don't get bogged down in this small fact. Pay attention to all the other stats folks are showering you with about Howden's complete and utter futility.
     
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    I'm not just looking at this season.
     
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    Let’s boil this down. What one damn bit of difference would Gauthier make playing 6 minutes on the 4th line? About as much as we spend time arguing it.
     
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    I’m pretty sure the Rangers could thrown one of us out there instead of Howden and we’d have more success

    so using that as an argument is laughable at best
     
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    Then what is your friggin’ argument? That Howden is going to steal Gauthier’s God given ice time next year, when there is a solid chance that neither is playing for the Rangers?
     
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    What is truly laughable is believing that either Howden or Gauthier on the 4th line makes a single lick of difference.
     
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    I agree that the Rangers are not winning or losing a game because either Howden or Gauthier plays on the fourth line.

    My beef is that I think Gauthier has potential, even if there is no room for him on the Rangers, and I don't understand the eight minutes a game and then all of the scratches before Kravtsov got here to be replaced by guys with little to no future. If Gauthier had a fair shot and didn't make it I am fine with that. But I think the team wasted a potential resource in not giving Gauthier a consistent chance and I think the frustration you are seeing about Howden vs. Gauthier really is a reflection on the failure to give a talented player a decent chance.

     
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