Player Discussion Josh Archibald

[oilynutz]

He reminds me of a tinier Curtis Glencross

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[tempest186]

Love how he plays. Definitely want to see him re-signed ASAP.

 

[Old Boys Club]

 

[Aerchon]

Hope he gets signed asap for reasonable price and term.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Hope he gets signed asap for reasonable price and term.

2yrs $2.6M would suit me just fine. $1.2M yr1 and $1.4M yr2

 

[ZenOil]

Love this player of late. Reminds me of a mid nineties Oiler. Great work ethic. Sign him up.

 

[Stoneman89]

Most of holland’s One year experiments are starting to recently. Even smith is turning it around. Albeit by next week he will probably be brutal again but still.



Next season will be the big test for Holland. Interested to see what he does.

Seriously? I mean, yes, it will be important, but how can you not consider this year the biggest test considering how little he had to work with? Swapped Lucic on the payroll for 19 goals (so far) and basically reconfigured our entire bottom six, and added to our goaltending for a pittance.

 

[replacement]

C'mon now, can we get the subject line changed so nobody else bumps their head from jumping for joy?

 

[guymez]

Seriously? I mean, yes, it will be important, but how can you not consider this year the biggest test considering how little he had to work with? Swapped Lucic on the payroll for 19 goals (so far) and basically reconfigured our entire bottom six, and added to our goaltending for a pittance.

All done with virtually no cap space.

 

[Samus44]

Archibald is absolutely someone I want to see re signed. Not gonna be a big point getter, but he plays the game the way that I feel like everyone should, especially bottom 6ers. Absolutely relentless on the puck, never takes a shift off, and adds speed which is an element we're solely missing.

With him and Yamamoto it's like we got 2 Gallagher's except one is lacking the physicality but better offensively and one is lacking the offense but better defensively. It's awesome and it's got to be terrible to play against. Can't believe Arizona let him go.

 

[Samus44]

To add to your post, these guys have made our PK one of the best in the league. If the bottom isn’t scoring they have to be good at something and these guys can PK with the best of them. They are starting to come alive in the goal department as well, which could be huge for us down the stretch.

With the horses up front the Oilers arguably couldn't ask for a better bottom 6 line than what Archibald and Sheahan bring 2/3rds of as they're elite PKers who can check top lines and survive. It's been huge for this group.

 

[PositiveCashFlow]

Lol I thought this just happened on the plane, thread is from last July

 

[ImmuneEH]

I'd give Archibald a 3 year extension and Sheahan a 2 year extension. Both have been great.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Archie a 3 x $1.75
Sheahan a 2 x $1.25

 

[FlameChampion]

I'd give Archibald a 3 year extension and Sheahan a 2 year extension. Both have been great.

I'd like to see Archibald around 1.5x3 and Sheahan around 1.5x2.

 

[McDNicks17]

I'd still be very hesitant to give him and Sheahan much of a raise.

They're great on the PK and Archi's style makes him a fan favorite, but they're both still brutal at 5v5. Some of the lowest GF%/xGF%s in the league and pretty close to the worst players on the Oilers at allowing chances against.

I'd like to see both of them back, but with the salary structure on this team, they aren't the type of players you can overpay.

 

[Cloned]

I'd still be very hesitant to give him and Sheahan much of a raise.

They're great on the PK and Archi's style makes him a fan favorite, but they're both still brutal at 5v5. Some of the lowest GF%/xGF%s in the league and pretty close to the worst players on the Oilers at allowing chances against.

I'd like to see both of them back, but with the salary structure on this team, they aren't the type of players you can overpay.

I think a lot of that is due to how horrendous they were for the first two months of the season. When you dig yourself a hole that big it’s hard to recover from, especially when your “peak” isn’t particularly elite or even very good.

 

[BudBundy]

I'd still be very hesitant to give him and Sheahan much of a raise.

They're great on the PK and Archi's style makes him a fan favorite, but they're both still brutal at 5v5. Some of the lowest GF%/xGF%s in the league and pretty close to the worst players on the Oilers at allowing chances against.

I'd like to see both of them back, but with the salary structure on this team, they aren't the type of players you can overpay.

I wonder how much of that is related to QualComp and %Zonestart? To my eye they are very effective 4th liners.

 

[The Safe Play]

I'd still be very hesitant to give him and Sheahan much of a raise.

They're great on the PK and Archi's style makes him a fan favorite, but they're both still brutal at 5v5. Some of the lowest GF%/xGF%s in the league and pretty close to the worst players on the Oilers at allowing chances against.

I'd like to see both of them back, but with the salary structure on this team, they aren't the type of players you can overpay.

They look better depending on the third wheel but I do agree you can't keep overpaying complimentary players.

 

[McDNicks17]

I think a lot of that is due to how horrendous they were for the first two months of the season. When you dig yourself a hole that big it’s hard to recover from, especially when your “peak” isn’t particularly elite or even very good.

It also doesn't help that they basically haven't had an NHL quality player on their LW for pretty much the entire season, so that doesn't help the numbers.

Still, I think we kind of overvalue these guys because it feels like two decades since we've had good 4th line players. They're both on pace to exactly match their scoring from last season. Considering the contracts they got and when they signed them, they really aren't in a position to ask for much of a raise.

 

[Cloned]

It also doesn't help that they basically haven't had an NHL quality player on their LW for pretty much the entire season, so that doesn't help the numbers.

Still, I think we kind of overvalue these guys because it feels like two decades since we've had good 4th line players. They're both on pace to exactly match their scoring from last season. Considering the contracts they got and when they signed them, they really aren't in a position to ask for much of a raise.

I don’t think we will be seeing huge raises. Maybe 250-500K per year more for each of them.

 

[McDNicks17]

I wonder how much of that is related to QualComp and %Zonestart? To my eye they are very effective 4th liners.

They're playing easy competition for the most part. We finally don't have a dinosaur of a coach who thinks you play your 4th line against 1st lines.

Zone starts might affect it a little(more so for Sheahan than Archi), but a large majority of their shifts are starting on the fly, so it wouldn't affect the numbers too much.

 

[McDNicks17]

I don’t think we will be seeing huge raises. Maybe 250-500K per year more for each of them.

I think the best way to entice them to come back is a little bit of term.

Sheahan came pretty close to not getting a contract this year. A two year deal at $1M per should look pretty tempting to him.

 

[Cloned]

I think the best way to entice them to come back is a little bit of term.

Sheahan came pretty close to not getting a contract this year. A two year deal at $1M per should look pretty tempting to him.

I’d offer 1.25x2 for Sheahan and 1.4x2 for Archi.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I'd still be very hesitant to give him and Sheahan much of a raise.

They're great on the PK and Archi's style makes him a fan favorite, but they're both still brutal at 5v5. Some of the lowest GF%/xGF%s in the league and pretty close to the worst players on the Oilers at allowing chances against.

I'd like to see both of them back, but with the salary structure on this team, they aren't the type of players you can overpay.

These are unit numbers of course and as you note they haven't had much to play with. They certainly are not "Brutal" 5 on 5. You've cited one unit metric that could suggest struggles, but that being on an incomplete team that has at times struggled to put lines together and have adequate D play and goaltending. Lets remember BOTH are new to this team that has a new head coach. The process, gelling, and trusting and familiarity with team mates takes time.