Recalled/Assigned: Jordan Weal

Delete99991 · Mar 11, 2017

I like Lyubimov, but not sure he's a fit here in a world where Weise, Bellemare, and probably one of Read and VDV remain on the roster.

Sad but true.

MacDonald4MVP · Mar 11, 2017

Hopefully we dont let him walk and throw 10 million at some grinder.

Tripod · Mar 11, 2017

One thing is for sure....we have lots of bodies.

Rebels57 · Mar 11, 2017

The Palm Isle said:
Yes, Weal's emergence is a reminder of how poor the Weise signing really was.

The wasted money is one thing, but it also makes it harder for the Weals of 2018 and 2019 to get an opportunity.

I wonder if we see Bellemare the same way by next year (if not already). Or, god help us, VDV if he gets another year or two.

Bellemare is already a poor signing before his next contract even starts.

I don't see VandeVelde getting re-signed. Too many bodies and more on the way.

Hextall should look to sign Weal to a 1 year "Prove It" deal now before he heats up too much and starts to turn some heads around the league. I am still not sold on him but I don't want to watch him walk then establish himself with another team. Been there, done that.

GKJ · Mar 11, 2017

RebelBully said:
Bellemare is already a poor signing before his next contract even starts.

I don't see VandeVelde getting re-signed. Too many bodies and more on the way.

Hextall should look to sign Weal to a 1 year "Prove It" deal now before he heats up too much and starts to turn some heads around the league. I am still not sold on him but I don't want to watch him walk then establish himself with another team. Been there, done that.

You're unlikely to get him less than 2 years. If he thinks he can make a few dollars and some security by going to UFA, he's going to do it. So if you're intent on keeping him, you better give him a reason to sign.

Rebels57 · Mar 11, 2017

GKJ said:
You're unlikely to get him less than 2 years. If he thinks he can make a few dollars and some security by going to UFA, he's going to do it. So if you're intent on keeping him, you better give him a reason to sign.

I guess waiting until the end of the season when we have a larger sample size to analyze is probably for the best then. We will still have time to negotiate with him before he becomes a UFA.

tymed · Mar 11, 2017

wrong thread

Asnito · Mar 11, 2017

GKJ said:
You're unlikely to get him less than 2 years. If he thinks he can make a few dollars and some security by going to UFA, he's going to do it. So if you're intent on keeping him, you better give him a reason to sign.

I agree. I also think he's a better fit than Cousins although sample size can't be ignored.

I think if he was offered a 2 year $1.5-6 1 way contract he would take it. If he doesn't work out waive him and he'll be claimed or help the Phantoms.

Curufinwe · Mar 11, 2017

He's not in a position to get more than 1 year, $1m based on 20 games.

Appleyard · Mar 11, 2017

Going into next year with:

xxxx - Giroux - Simmonds
Konecny - Couturier - Voracek
Raffl - Filppula - Schenn
xxxx - xxxx - xxxx
Weise
Bellemare

With:

Weal, Laughton, Cousins, Lindblom & Leier fighting for those 4 spots would be fun.

Assuming that Read taken in ED.

Alex91 · Mar 11, 2017

im a huge Cousins fan, but I'd rather take a gamble on Weal over then Cousins next year based on personal (I'm good with taking both). It would also push Raffl to 4th Line wit PEB which would be nice

Asnito · Mar 11, 2017

Curufinwe said:
He's not in a position to get more than 1 year, $1m based on 20 games.

If he closes the season strong and the difference is 2yr @.75mil or let him walk what do you do?

Asnito · Mar 11, 2017

Alex91 said:
im a huge Cousins fan, but I'd rather take a gamble on Weal over then Cousins next year based on personal (I'm good with taking both). It would also push Raffl to 4th Line wit PEB which would be nice

To me Weal seems to have more upside. I almost feel like we've seen what Cousins can do and Weal is less proven but I think would be more effective if he continues to progress.

TCTC · Mar 11, 2017

Alex91 said:
im a huge Cousins fan, but I'd rather take a gamble on Weal over then Cousins next year based on personal (I'm good with taking both). It would also push Raffl to 4th Line wit PEB which would be nice

Yeah, getting Raffl out of the top 9 would be great. When he's not having one of his hot streaks, he's just Vandevelde with more hockey sense.

Winston Wolf · Mar 11, 2017

LorneMalvo said:
Yeah, getting Raffl out of the top 9 would be great. When he's not having one of his hot streaks, he's just Vandevelde with more hockey sense.

That's a really stupid comparison.

LegionOfDoom91 · Mar 11, 2017

Raffl's a much better hockey player than VandeVelde with or without his scoring.

TCTC · Mar 11, 2017

Winston Wolf said:
That's a really stupid comparison.

Yeah, I guess Dale Weise would be a better comparison. They aren't really hurting you, but they aren't helping either.

Curufinwe · Mar 11, 2017

Bluto N Hobbes said:
If he closes the season strong and the difference is 2yr @.75mil or let him walk what do you do?

How strong are we talking? If he ends up with 20 points in 25 games, then 2 years at $1.5m might be market value, but that would require him to score 16 points in the final 15 games.

If he finishes with a more reasonable stat line like 13 points in 25 games then I think 1 year at $1m is more than fair.

Winston Wolf · Mar 11, 2017

LorneMalvo said:
Yeah, I guess Dale Weise would be a better comparison. They aren't really hurting you, but they aren't helping either.

Raffl has more career goals than VandeVelde has points. He also came right into the league and was a competent penalty killer and good forechecker. Instead of becoming a mainstay on the PK, he's played a whopping 5 minutes on the PK these last two years, just so Hakstol and Laperriere's pet projects can get their minutes in.

If he played important PK minutes and chipped in his ~30 points on the 3rd line everyone would love him. Instead he plays crap minutes with guys like Cousins and Read. He's a frustrating player because he's a poor finisher, but he brings a hell of a lot more to the table than the rest of the bottom 6 wingers.

Asnito · Mar 11, 2017

Curufinwe said:
How strong are we talking? If he ends up with 20 points in 25 games, then 2 years at $1.5m might be market value, but that would require him to score 16 points in the final 15 games.

If he finishes with a more reasonable stat line like 13 points in 25 games then I think 1 year at $1m is more than fair.

20 points in 25 games he might be looking for 1yr at 2mil. He's playing well and if he does 13-15 in the last 25 2yrs @ 1.5-6 total won't break the bank. If he totally flops next year we know he can produce in the A and the one way contract isn't going to mess up the Flyers salary cap.

Asnito · Mar 11, 2017

Winston Wolf said:
Raffl has more career goals than VandeVelde has points. He also came right into the league and was a competent penalty killer and good forechecker. Instead of becoming a mainstay on the PK, he's played a whopping 5 minutes on the PK these last two years, just so Hakstol and Laperriere's pet projects can get their minutes in.

If he played important PK minutes and chipped in his ~30 points on the 3rd line everyone would love him. Instead he plays crap minutes with guys like Cousins and Read. He's a frustrating player because he's a poor finisher, but he brings a hell of a lot more to the table than the rest of the bottom 6 wingers.

I actually think Raffl, PEB and Lyubimov would be a solid 4th line.

Curufinwe · Mar 11, 2017

Bluto N Hobbes said:
20 points in 25 games he might be looking for 1yr at 2mil. He's playing well and if he does 13-15 in the last 25 2yrs @ 1.5-6 total won't break the bank. If he totally flops next year we know he can produce in the A and the one way contract isn't going to mess up the Flyers salary cap.

It won't, but when you look around the league it's rare for a player with Weal's limited amount of games to get that type of deal.

Look at what Marchessault got for scoring 18 points in 45 games

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/jonathan-marchessault

Asnito · Mar 11, 2017

Curufinwe said:
It won't, but when you look around the league it's rare for a player with Weal's limited amount of games to get that type of deal.

Look at what Marchessault got for scoring 18 points in 45 games

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/jonathan-marchessault

I agree but 20 in 25 in the current NHL is going to make more than a few GM's take notice.

OT but do you follow the NRL?

Hiesenberg · Mar 11, 2017

So do we think Weal could be an actual player? He hasn't looked out of place at all. He's making some serious plays and is scoring goals.

Rebels57 · Mar 11, 2017

Hiesenberg said:
So do we think Weal could be an actual player? He hasn't looked out of place at all. He's making some serious plays and is scoring goals.

I think its too soon to tell but his play is encouraging.

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