Confirmed with Link: Jordan Weal (F) traded to Arizona for a 2019 6th round pick and Jacob Graves (D)

[PK16]

Ironically Weal probably would have been an ideal 4th line player for the Flyers but they refused to put him in that role for any period of time. Statistically he's good in the defensive zone, great in the neutral zone, just mediocre in the offensive zone.

I agree with this, could have used him on the fourth line. This team lacks speed and Weal was speedy. It’s not a huge loss in the big scheme of things.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I agree with this, could have used him on the fourth line. This team lacks speed and Weal was speedy. It’s not a huge loss in the big scheme of things.

Unfortunately he didn’t use his speed consistently. I forgot he had speed until a couple flashes a few games ago.

 

[Mike1167]

Would have given him away for free

We did.

 

[kelmitchell]

@Appleyard, please, give us some advanced and metrics stats from last two season for Simmonds and Weal.

Yeah because advanced stats tell everything, shit forgot

 

[AdamParrot]

Yeah because advanced stats tell everything, **** forgot

Avanced stats say that Simmonds is totally, absolutely totally useless on the ice in last two seasons. And eye test says this too.

 

[kelmitchell]

Avanced stats say that Simmonds is totally, absolutely totally useless on the ice in last two seasons. And eye test says this too.

Eye test says that this season, but simmonds will garner way more than a 6th round pick, if you think thats all hes worth then you sir are delusional

 

[AdamParrot]

I believe too that he has more value than Weal. But only because a lot of GMs are stupid.

But objectively, Weal was/is better than Simmonds in last 2 seasons. No doubt.

 

[Rebels57]

Not true...

At 5v5, Simmonds has been probably our worst player. Little offensive production and constantly hurting us defensively.

 

[rajaampat]

Do you think Comcast is trimming the losses this last half of season year incrementally eliminating/reducing player salary that doesnt affect ticket sales..Bean counters affecting decisions......

 

[James Dirksin]

Weal for a pack of smokes

 

[kelmitchell]

At 5v5, Simmonds has been probably our worst player. Little offensive production and constantly hurting us defensively.

My whole point was made about if we traded him for a 6th that id be pissed...regardless of how he looks right now

 

[kelmitchell]

I believe too that he has more value than Weal. But only because a lot of GMs are stupid.

But objectively, Weal was/is better than Simmonds in last 2 seasons. No doubt.

I agree with this year but last year before his injury i dont agree, thats why i said i dont agree

 

[gertbfrobe16]

should have got a 6th just for taking the echl player contract. i'm guessing they will take andy or horseface in a later move to compensate us later.

 

[deadhead]

Why do people think Weal had real value?
He has 36 ES points in 124 NHL games, that 24 points for a full season, below average for a 3C.
He is undersized, has average speed though good quickness.
He is an below average defensive player. So a bad fit on an 4th line/energy line.
He turns 27 in April.

Advanced metrics love Weal, but those are predictive metrics, when the prediction doesn't come true, they have less value.
The hope was he'd produce up to his metrics, which should be a 30-35 ES point 3C. That never materialized.
At some point you realize that he's good at possession, but not closing the deal, and at his age, that's unlikely to change.

We got a 5th rd pick for a full season of Cousins at age 24 (but through in Madsen).
So a 6th for half a season of Weal seems reasonable.

 

[FlyOrange]

I would have rather kept him and used him as an add-in player as a part of a bigger deal. He might have his flaws, but he is exactly the type of player that is used to "sweeten" the pot so to speak. If he can be added to change the draft pick we trade from a 3rd to a 4th, for example, that seems more valuable than having an extra 6th round pick.

 

[Dicky Dangles]

I would have rather kept him and used him as an add-in player as a part of a bigger deal. He might have his flaws, but he is exactly the type of player that is used to "sweeten" the pot so to speak. If he can be added to change the draft pick we trade from a 3rd to a 4th, for example, that seems more valuable than having an extra 6th round pick.

Does crap really sweeten anything?

 

[FlyOrange]

Does crap really sweeten anything?

Ouch. Weal tried hard. Can't help that he is a tweener. But look at it this way:

Player X /Weal/4th rounder
Player X /3rd rounder


This part is just bargaining so it's quite subjective to a certain extent, but I much rather do the first deal than the second.

 

[Striiker]

Trying hard means nothing if it doesn't lead to results.

 

[Tripod]

Trying hard means nothing if it doesn't lead to results.

Just like Hextall.

 

[Striiker]

Just like Hextall.

Big difference.

Weal is trying but is unsuccessful.

Hextall was accused of not even trying.