Jordan Weal: 2018-19 season (Formerly: How many points for Weal in 2017-2018?)

[Rebels57]

Voted 21-30, which is nice production for his cap hit and without much PP time.

 

[whitstifier]

Because Cousins had 16 points in 60 games last year (22 point pace), Gagner had 50 in 81, Marchessault had 51 in 75.

I think Weal is closer to a 20-30 scorer than a 50 point scorer.

Marchessault didn't do all that much the season before. Gagner's career is well defined by inconsistency.

 

[flyersjim73]

Have a feeling he ends up with 7 points and back in Lehigh Valley by the middle of the season. Hope I'm completely wrong. I was wrong on him during the run he had at the end of the season, but just don't see anything particularly special, and with the depth we have. If he doesn't play solid I wouldn't be surprised if he got passed.

Again, I hope I'm wrong.

 

[deadhead]

Because Cousins had 16 points in 60 games last year (22 point pace), Gagner had 50 in 81, Marchessault had 51 in 75.

I think Weal is closer to a 20-30 scorer than a 50 point scorer.

Gagner was 10-22 32 ES last year, 9-20 29 in Arizona two years ago.
Marchessault was 45g 3-8 11 two years ago
last year 75g 22-11 33 with a 15.5% scoring rate
assume regression to the mean,
then 15-11 26 (i.e. that goal scoring rate isn't sustainable).

So odds are Weal will have a similar performance, 25-30 points ES.
Weal is a better offensive player than Cousins (but not as fiesty).
Cousins was 5-9 14 ES in 60g (7-12 19 prorated to 80g), but spent a lot of time on the 4th line.

PP should be considered separately because it's a matter of opportunity, 1st PP, 2nd PP or no PP.
Weal may play on the 2nd PP, he's unlikely to play on the 1st PP.

 

[Striiker]

Gagner was 10-22 32 ES last year, 9-20 29 in Arizona two years ago.
Marchessault was 45g 3-8 11 two years ago
last year 75g 22-11 33 with a 15.5% scoring rate
assume regression to the mean,
then 15-11 26 (i.e. that goal scoring rate isn't sustainable).

So odds are Weal will have a similar performance, 25-30 points ES.
Weal is a better offensive player than Cousins (but not as fiesty).
Cousins was 5-9 14 ES in 60g (7-12 19 prorated to 80g), but spent a lot of time on the 4th line.

PP should be considered separately because it's a matter of opportunity, 1st PP, 2nd PP or no PP.
Weal may play on the 2nd PP, he's unlikely to play on the 1st PP.

That's being incredibly optimistic.

 

[whitstifier]

That's being incredibly optimistic.

Is it? Weal has scored well in lower levels. Seems like he is going to get a big role with the Flyers next season. I don't think it's a stretch to think that Weal could have around average production for a top 6 player.

 

[Striiker]

Is it? Weal has scored well in lower levels. Seems like he is going to get a big role with the Flyers next season. I don't think it's a stretch to think that Weal could have around average production for a top 6 player.

Only guys on the team last year who had 30+ ES points last year were Voracek and Couturier...

Weal is being seriously overrated if you guys think he's the 3rd best ES scorer on the team...

EDIT: misread that, but even at 25-30 he'd be equal with guys like Simmonds, Giroux, Provorov, and Konecny.... which I sure as hell still doubt.

 

[Magua]

Only guys on the team last year who had 30+ ES points last year were Voracek and Couturier...

Weal is being seriously overrated if you guys think he's the 3rd best ES scorer on the team...

EDIT: misread that, but even at 25-30 he'd be equal with guys like Simmonds, Giroux, Provorov, and Konecny.... which I sure as hell still doubt.

Getting 25+ points for a solid top 9 guy isn't some impossible task. Our team has just made it look like one in recent years. It should almost be expected to a degree for a good player, at least flirting with 25.

156 forwards got 25 or more points 5v5, not even ES points, last year. That's also not adjusting for guys who would've hit it but missed some time. Weal did pace and play well 5v5 last year. Really well. You point to a lot of those guys, but Simmonds isn't some 5v5 star, Giroux scored like a 4th liner last year, and Provorov is a d-man. I fully expect Konecny to blow the doors off 5v5, like he did last year in the first half, if given a consistent role. Our team sucks scoring 5v5......is it really so crazy to think guys could come in and be as good or better than what we have, maybe even improve the scoring of others in the process?

 

[Hockeypete49]

I went 31-40 because I think he will see some good PP time, especially early in the season, and may play with G and Jake ... but I don't know a damned thing about numbers.

Same here, but 31 to 40 I think is doable.

 

[Striiker]

Getting 25+ points for a solid top 9 guy isn't some impossible task. Our team has just made it look like one in recent years. It should almost be expected to a degree for a good player, at least flirting with 25.

156 forwards got 25 or more points 5v5, not even ES points, last year. That's also not adjusting for guys who would've hit it but missed some time. Weal did pace and play well 5v5 last year. Really well. You point to a lot of those guys, but Simmonds isn't some 5v5 star, Giroux scored like a 4th liner last year, and Provorov is a d-man. I fully expect Konecny to blow the doors off 5v5, like he did last year in the first half, if given a consistent role. Our team sucks scoring 5v5......is it really so crazy to think guys could come in and be as good or better than what we have, maybe even improve the scoring of others in the process?

But that's the problem, we're talking about Weal.

 

[deadhead]

Giroux 3 year average 80g 12-22 34
Simmonds 4 year average 80g 15-20 37
Voracek 4 year average 80g 13-26 39
Schenn 4 year average 81g 13-18 31
Couts 4 year average 73g 12-19 31
Filpulla 3 year average 79g 9-20 29

So 25-30 ES points is not outrageous if Weal plays 12-14 ES minutes a night.
Konecny had 8-16 24 in 70 games as a rookie

 

[Pantokrator]

Voted 21-30, which is nice production for his cap hit and without much PP time.

This was my thought. If he were to get top line playing time and pp, I'd bump it to 45-50 points.

 

[Hurricane28]

31-40.

Is Weal to Striiker as Schenn was to Beef?

 

[CodyTheHuman]

0-10. We'll trade him with Read to get rid of Read's salary

 

[Flyers1987]

Kings amateur scouting director Mark Yannetti...In an interview with the Boston Globe following Manchester's Calder Cup win, Yannetti specifically pointed out Weal's mental approach to the game...
"He's an elite thinker," Yannetti told the newspaper. "The way he sorts the game, his creativity, the way he reads and recognizes space with and without the puck. His mind allowed him to deal with spatial things in a way that helps compensate for size."

 

[healthyscratch]

31-40.

Is Weal to Striiker as Schenn was to Beef?

Maybe even more so!


My guess on Weal points is 12/20/32 total.

 

[FlyingPhilly]

I hate all the puns with his name. Need a world without puns....

 

[Sawdalite]

I hate all the puns with his name. Need a world without puns....

You're not for Weal are you?









What?!?!? ... That wasn't a pun.

 

[bennysflyers16]

46 points

 

[The Madrigal]

16 goals, 20 assists, 36 points.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

If Weal stays with Flip and Simmer or plays on the top line with G and Jake, Jordan could very well get 30-35 points, maybe even close to 40 points.

But if Jordan is playing 4th line minutes, or is playing on a line with a defensive forward like Coots it could keep Weal's points production down around 10-15 points.

Weal needs a good passer on his line to be a productive points producer in the NHL.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

I liked the Weal- Flip - Simmonds line. Put TK up top with G and Voracek. Put Oscar on third with Couts and Weise to see if chemistry is there they had with Schenn toward the end of the year. Ease in Patrick on 4th line with possible PP2 minutes. If Patrick starts killing it then move him up. I like 40 range if healthy.

Don't put Patrick on the 4th line, you'll be laughed at or ridiculed for it.

Most see Hakstok putting Patrick at 2C right off the bat..

 

[Rebels57]

Don't put Patrick on the 4th line, you'll be laughed at or ridiculed for it.

Most see Hakstok putting Patrick at 2C right off the bat..

Actually most have him at 3C.

Dont make **** up because your awful idea of having him play 4RW was ridiculed.

 

[flyersjim73]

But if Jordan is playing 4th line minutes, or is playing on a line with a defensive forward like Coots it could keep Weal's points production down around 10-15 points.

Just about every player that played a significant amount of time with both G and Coots last year produced a higher pp60 rate with Coots than with G. I expect a bit of a bounce back year from G but to expect Weal to score wayyy more with G vs Coots seems very unlikely to me.

 

[Curufinwe]

Hexy on Weal.

HockeyBuzz.com - Bill Meltzer - JVR on Flyers return, Hextall on remaining offseason goals

We’re going to look at everything. You'll look outside as much as you can if you can upgrade. But Jordan Weal too is a that I’ve mentioned. Nobody else seems to want to [mention it], but he’s played center. He’s a good centerman. He’s good on face-offs. He’s good defensively. He makes plays. I suspect Jordan’s going to bounce back. I don’t think he had a terrific year last year, so he’s certainly a candidate.

I think I said this a while ago: Jordan cares so much. Sometimes he can be his worst enemy. He’s the last guy on the ice every day. He works his tail off. Sometimes you just want to go, “Jordan, get off the ice and relax a little bit.” He’s so driven to be the best he can be. It’s something he can get better at, in terms of the mental part of it where sometimes you’ve got to let things go. When he gets on a roll, he’s a good player. I suspect Jordan’s going to come in really ready to play and focused and ready to show us what he showed us two years ago.

Sadly the poll is gone, but Weal had 18 ES points, and 3 PP points for a total of 21 in 69 games.