Proposal: Jonathan Toews To NYR

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If Chicago were to ever move him, wouldn't he love to try and win another Stanley Cup? He has that chance with New York playing with Panarin. We all know Gorton is interested in a top end C after it was made clear he inquired about Eichel. With salary retention and the right package going back I think this move won't hurt the Rangers cap wise and our best chance to win a cup will be in the next 3-6 years anyway. Why not have a leader and Stanley Cup winning experience in the locker room? Why not try to go deep and win while you still have players on their entry levels? It would be like a second coming of Messier if you will. That type of player could really push a young team over the edge into becoming winners. I really feel it would be smart of Gorton. This is a move I really wouldn't know the timeframe for, could be this year, next year, or he just decides to ride it out and hit free agency which would make this pointless to talk about. The thing is wouldn't the Blackhawks want to get top value for a guy like him NOW rather than later?

So here's what the package would be,

To CHI:

2021 1st Rd. Pick ----- Self explanatory, Hawks would want a 1st for Toews in any deal

R.Strome ----- Blackhawks get a a guy to play with his brother and lighten the load off Dach until he's ready to take the 1C spot

V.Kravtsov ----- Projected top 6 forward drafted 9thOVR in 2018. Again, self explanatory the Hawks would want a high end prospect in this deal and Kravtsov could end up being a lethal punch with someone like Kubalik

A.Georgiev ----- It is well known CHI has a need between the pipes and after losing Crawford there's potential in someone like Alexander Georgiev. It's pretty simple, Malcom Subban can't be your starter if you want to be a team built to compete. Georgiev would instantly become the starting netminder and he has a ton of upside still in his game.


Libor Hajek/Nils Lundkvist ----- I'm sure Chicago would want something from the crop of defensive prospects the NYR have, Nils being someone who has history with Adam Boqvist and having a much higher floor than Hajek seems to be trending into a #3 PP defensive specialist. Libor Hajek is more a boom or bust, he hasn't quite broken through in NY but a change of scenery in Chicago might help him. Especially going to a locker room with Kubalik



To NYR:

J.Toews [27% salary retention] ----- Rangers get Stanley Cup winning experience in the locker room and an all around leader for a young up and coming Cup contending team in need of a 1-2 punch down the middle. Toews would rekindle some magic with a guy like Panarin and compete for a cup with him.

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Too much or too little?
 
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1. No
2. Too much going back.
3. No.
4. Would have to retain more.
5. No.
6. Would have to take Smith back.
7. No.
 

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That’s a crazy amount of real estate to move on a single player, any single player let alone one with an albatross contract on the wrong side of 30 with several years of backslide already under his belt. Yes, I know he’s had good years the last couple, but do you believe he’ll have three more like that from ages 32-35?

With Toews, the intangibles are at least half as valuable as the production, and those intangibles take a hit if he leaves Chicago.
 
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Have you crunched the cap numbers even with 27% retention on Toews?
Seems like a lot of the NYR players don't even equal anything near $6-7 million in combined cap hits

NYR fans aren't gonna like this deal imo

This NYR fan likes the math and has looked into our cap. We have a ton of dead cap falling off the books next year. Strome would be at least 4M himself. Georgiev is 2.4M. The ELC guys make at least 800k and we have Smith expiring this year. Buyouts from Shattenkirk, Girardi, Lundqvist either decrease or fall off next year. Toews would be the perfect addition and leader for this young Rangers team.

It looks like an overpay asset wise, but I’d be willing to part with the pieces listed, maybe just not all of them in one package. But something could be worked out.
 

wahsnairb

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The only time I’ve seen someone offer too much (even with the retention on Toews).

It’s refreshing to see as a Hawks fan seeing goofy lowballs incessantly right now, but NYR wouldn’t have to go this hard.

1st + Georgiev + serviceable player (Strome or whomever) to have cap coming back to Chicago is probably more than enough.
 

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This NYR fan likes the math and has looked into our cap. We have a ton of dead cap falling off the books next year. Strome would be at least 4M himself. Georgiev is 2.4M. The ELC guys make at least 800k and we have Smith expiring this year. Buyouts from Shattenkirk, Girardi, Lundqvist either decrease or fall off next year. Toews would be the perfect addition and leader for this young Rangers team.

It looks like an overpay asset wise, but I’d be willing to part with the pieces listed, maybe just not all of them in one package. But something could be worked out.

Fair enough, will be some NYR takers of course. Just seems like a ton of young potential but also see the desire of a legit 1-2 punch of Zib and Toews.
 

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Fair enough, will be some NYR takers of course. Just seems like a ton of young potential but also see the desire of a legit 1-2 punch of Zib and Toews.

Yeah, I wouldn’t do 1st, Kravstov, Lundkvist, Georgiev. But I would certainly be willing to craft a package with a couple of pieces and a cap dump in Strome (who is replaced by Toews). I have interest in Toews if he becomes available and 2.5-3M retained is right in the sweet spot.


The only time I’ve seen someone offer too much (even with the retention on Toews).

It’s refreshing to see as a Hawks fan seeing goofy lowballs incessantly right now, but NYR wouldn’t have to go this hard.

1st + Georgiev + serviceable player (Strome or whomever) to have cap coming back to Chicago is probably more than enough.

Basically this. I’d do something like Strome/Georgiev/1st or maybe Kravstov, but not that full package. But I would definitely be willing to pay a fair price for Toews.
 

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Wild overpayment (3 1sts and a good young G - thats the Eichel/Barkov package, not the late-career, change of scenery, for HoF player package) for a very good player w too many miles on his skates.
Anyway NYR not contending this year, can wait to solve the 2d top 6 C question.
Hawks fans can dream of such a return, maybe a nearer contender agrees, but most very likley wont get all that from NYR
 

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Thats a bigtime no from the Rangers. Rangers fans need to realize that while this team looks young and exciting, they're still years away from contending. Adding something like this at the stage the organization is in makes zero sense. The salary makes zero sense for the rangers who need cap space in the coming years as well, even with retention, its not workable. Big time no from NYR.
 

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That'll certainly make for a fun situation when Lafreniere, Kakko, Fox, and Zibanejad all need significant raises in the next 2-3 years...
I think with all the dead cap coming off you could squeak them all in. Zibanejad clearly being the one who garners the most, mind you the others are all going to be RFA's and I would expect the Rangers throwing bridge deals their way especially Kakko and Fox. Maybe not Laff though, really depends on how well they develop. You'd basically be putting Toews contract in place of Strome's if CHI retains, which let's be realistic no team is gonna move for him as his contract stands. CHI has to retain if moving Toews has to work.
 

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If Chicago were to ever move him, wouldn't he love to try and win another Stanley Cup? He has that chance with New York playing with Panarin. We all know Gorton is interested in a top end C after it was made clear he inquired about Eichel. With salary retention and the right package going back I think this move won't hurt the Rangers cap wise and our best chance to win a cup will be in the next 3-6 years anyway. Why not have a leader and Stanley Cup winning experience in the locker room? Why not try to go deep and win while you still have players on their entry levels? It would be like a second coming of Messier if you will. That type of player could really push a young team over the edge into becoming winners. I really feel it would be smart of Gorton. This is a move I really wouldn't know the timeframe for, could be this year, next year, or he just decides to ride it out and hit free agency which would make this pointless to talk about. The thing is wouldn't the Blackhawks want to get top value for a guy like him NOW rather than later?

So here's what the package would be,

To CHI:

2021 1st Rd. Pick ----- Self explanatory, Hawks would want a 1st for Toews in any deal

R.Strome ----- Blackhawks get a a guy to play with his brother and lighten the load off Dach until he's ready to take the 1C spot

V.Kravtsov ----- Projected top 6 forward drafted 9thOVR in 2018. Again, self explanatory the Hawks would want a high end prospect in this deal and Kravtsov could end up being a lethal punch with someone like Kubalik

A.Georgiev ----- It is well known CHI has a need between the pipes and after losing Crawford there's potential in someone like Alexander Georgiev. It's pretty simple, Malcom Subban can't be your starter if you want to be a team built to compete. Georgiev would instantly become the starting netminder and he has a ton of upside still in his game.


Libor Hajek/Nils Lundkvist ----- I'm sure Chicago would want something from the crop of defensive prospects the NYR have, Nils being someone who has history with Adam Boqvist and having a much higher floor than Hajek seems to be trending into a #3 PP defensive specialist. Libor Hajek is more a boom or bust, he hasn't quite broken through in NY but a change of scenery in Chicago might help him. Especially going to a locker room with Kubalik in the locker room.



To NYR:

J.Toews [27% salary retention] ----- Rangers get Stanley Cup winning experience in the locker room and an all around leader for a young up and coming Cup contending team in need of a 1-2 punch down the middle. Toews would rekindle some magic with a guy like Panarin and compete for a cup with him.

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Too much or too little?

uh... this was never a thing

panarin almost never played on Toews' line, he played opposite of Kane with anisimov in the middle almost exclusively
 

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Point is............they were in that locker room together, they know each other
Hate to tell you this, but Toews and Panarin played on the same line occasionally and had absolutely zero chemistry.

However, Kravstov+Georgiev+1st for [email protected] is probably a good deal for both sides . It's a breath of fresh air to have some reasonable posters here.
 

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If Chicago were to ever move him, wouldn't he love to try and win another Stanley Cup? He has that chance with New York playing with Panarin. We all know Gorton is interested in a top end C after it was made clear he inquired about Eichel. With salary retention and the right package going back I think this move won't hurt the Rangers cap wise and our best chance to win a cup will be in the next 3-6 years anyway. Why not have a leader and Stanley Cup winning experience in the locker room? Why not try to go deep and win while you still have players on their entry levels? It would be like a second coming of Messier if you will. That type of player could really push a young team over the edge into becoming winners. I really feel it would be smart of Gorton. This is a move I really wouldn't know the timeframe for, could be this year, next year, or he just decides to ride it out and hit free agency which would make this pointless to talk about. The thing is wouldn't the Blackhawks want to get top value for a guy like him NOW rather than later?

So here's what the package would be,

To CHI:

2021 1st Rd. Pick ----- Self explanatory, Hawks would want a 1st for Toews in any deal

R.Strome ----- Blackhawks get a a guy to play with his brother and lighten the load off Dach until he's ready to take the 1C spot

V.Kravtsov ----- Projected top 6 forward drafted 9thOVR in 2018. Again, self explanatory the Hawks would want a high end prospect in this deal and Kravtsov could end up being a lethal punch with someone like Kubalik

A.Georgiev ----- It is well known CHI has a need between the pipes and after losing Crawford there's potential in someone like Alexander Georgiev. It's pretty simple, Malcom Subban can't be your starter if you want to be a team built to compete. Georgiev would instantly become the starting netminder and he has a ton of upside still in his game.


Libor Hajek/Nils Lundkvist ----- I'm sure Chicago would want something from the crop of defensive prospects the NYR have, Nils being someone who has history with Adam Boqvist and having a much higher floor than Hajek seems to be trending into a #3 PP defensive specialist. Libor Hajek is more a boom or bust, he hasn't quite broken through in NY but a change of scenery in Chicago might help him. Especially going to a locker room with Kubalik in the locker room.



To NYR:

J.Toews [27% salary retention] ----- Rangers get Stanley Cup winning experience in the locker room and an all around leader for a young up and coming Cup contending team in need of a 1-2 punch down the middle. Toews would rekindle some magic with a guy like Panarin and compete for a cup with him.

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Too much or too little?
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That’s a crazy amount of real estate to move on a single player, any single player let alone one with an albatross contract on the wrong side of 30 with several years of backslide already under his belt. Yes, I know he’s had good years the last couple, but do you believe he’ll have three more like that from ages 32-35?

With Toews, the intangibles are at least half as valuable as the production, and those intangibles take a hit if he leaves Chicago.
Toews had a career year last season. If you don't follow the Blackhawks, just don't talk about them.
 
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pld459666

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I think the idea of Toews to the NYR is sexier than the reality of Toews to the NYR.

In fact, I think I'd prefer sending Strome, Buchnevich, Georgiev and a 1st for Towes with 25% retained.

The contract is ending when the window is truly opening and his time here would be wasted to a certain extent.

I do think a solid defensive center man like Toews may be good for a kid like Lafreniere.

Just not the right move for the NYR at this time
 

Stephen

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That package is going to not only eat up a lot of the depth of the Rangers rebuild but also be a big cap hit even at 27%. Depending on whether you place more emphasis on the Zibanejad/Panarin end of the program or the Kakko/Lafreniere end of the program, Toews is also probably not well aligned with the timing of the Rangers group, what with being 33. Feels like if you wanted to make a big splash, Patrick Kane All-American and still elite producer would be a better buy from the Hawks.
 

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