Player Discussion Jonathan Drouin - So comman Edition

[OldCraig71]

If people are critical of Drouin it's now because he is from Quebec? For the people that defend him is it also because he is from Quebec?

 

[Price is Wright]

I'd be shocked To see Drouin match Tanguays 863 points. And thats with 1 and a half lock-out

To be fair, Tanguay walked onto a Stanley Cup contender with Sakic and Forsberg as his centres. That said, I'm not saying he's exactly Tanguay. Tanguay is likely far more talented. But Drouin reminds me a lot of Tanguay. At best Drouin is a 40 assist playmaker on the wing. So far he's a 30 assist winger/centre.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

To be fair, Tanguay walked onto a Stanley Cup contender with Sakic and Forsberg as his centres. That said, I'm not saying he's exactly Tanguay. Tanguay is likely far more talented. But Drouin reminds me a lot of Tanguay. At best Drouin is a 40 assist playmaker on the wing. So far he's a 30 assist winger/centre.

So you see Drouin being a 60 point winger max? (Don't see him ever getting more than 20 goals)

 

[Price is Wright]

So you see Drouin being a 60 point winger max? (Don't see him ever getting more than 20 goals)

He had 53 points in 73 games in his best season with Tampa. If his offence took another step, got moved to the wing, dropped 5-10lbs, got a good centre, I think the 20-25 goals, 40-45 assists is the max we'd see from him. I would be surprised to see him do better than 70 points in 82 games.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

He had 53 points in 73 games in his best season with Tampa. If his offence took another step, got moved to the wing, dropped 5-10lbs, got a good centre, I think the 20-25 goals, 40-45 assists is the max we'd see from him. I would be surprised to see him do better than 70 points in 82 games.

Fair enough, I just took you 100% at your word for max 40 assists

 

[MarkovsKnee]

We aren’t talking an inch being rounded. We’re talking atleast a couple inches off. Most heights are exaggerated for players, and just about all of them for players under 6 feet. As a man whose 5’11 himself, I see it all the time where guys I can see clear over their heads claim to 5’10-5’11. I’d say Drouin is no taller then 5’9.

Might be "on skates". They add an inch and a bit.

 

[jiboy]

Drouin is talented like few players in the league , predicting what is peak is going to be right now could make a few look foolish in hindsight.

I know there are worrying stuff with him but he's at the minimum a 50pts winger PP specialist and there is a lot of room for improvement. His talent won't evaporate.

I am cautiously optimistic that he is going to improve and realise his potential with us.

 

[OldCraig71]

Until Drouin raises his compete level 5 on 5 he will only be a pp speciaist.

 

[Bryson]

Drouin is talented like few players in the league , predicting what is peak is going to be right now could make a few look foolish in hindsight.

I know there are worrying stuff with him but he's at the minimum a 50pts winger PP specialist and there is a lot of room for improvement. His talent won't evaporate.

I am cautiously optimistic that he is going to improve and realise his potential with us.

What does talented like few players in the league mean? Is this one of those empty cliche statements? Look at the best players in the league and tell me you see the same potential in Drouin? 50 points winger doesn't even put him in the top 100! Even worse when you consider we traded a franchise PMD defenseman that we desperately needed. Even worse when you consider that we acquired Alzner, another stay at home defenseman when we already had Weber. Even worse when you consider that we have no centers so they are going to keep trying to fit a square peg into a round hole and ultimately ruin this kid the way they did with Galchenyuk, another top 3 pick. I am convinced that Bergevin says to his buddies,"Hold my beer!"every time he makes one of these boneheaded moves!

 

[Bryson]

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[jiboy]

What does talented like few players in the league mean? Is this one of those empty cliche statements? Look at the best players in the league and tell me you see the same potential in Drouin? 50 points winger doesn't even put him in the top 100! Even worse when you consider we traded a franchise PMD defenseman that we desperately needed. Even worse when you consider that we acquired Alzner, another stay at home defenseman when we already had Weber. Even worse when you consider that we have no centers so they are going to keep trying to fit a square peg into a round hole and ultimately ruin this kid the way they did with Galchenyuk, another top 3 pick. I am convinced that Bergevin says to his buddies,"Hold my beer!"every time he makes one of these boneheaded moves!

What I mean is the pure talent is there , management and Jo himself need to find the way to make it blossom. The talent and the abilities are there , yes I believe he has as much talent as any of the top talents in the league (hence the 3rd ov pick ahead of seth jones). He surely seems to be missing the drive and the work ethic to be a top player but it might be a matter of maturity.

At the minimum I think we can agree he's going to stay the player he is right now (50 pts winger) and in his best projections he could be close to PPG. What we traded was not a franchise PMD it was a potential franchise PMD , big difference.

All the rest about what we gave for him, hiring Alzner , organisational depth has nothing to do with Drouin himself , we gotta look forward and hope this organisation finds a way to extract his talent. Wich is likelier with the venue of Ducharme..

 

[CalgarySnow]

Ok I admit I got bored of the Drouin Galchenyuk debate and fast forwarded to the end, the reason I dislike Drouin is because he can’t be arsed. His work ethic stinks. Yes I get he was played out of position but he just didn’t put any effort in. Could you imagine Gallagher playing like that if he was out of position? No he would try his hardest and not lapsi doodle to the bench after giving up a turnover. I agree when he was put on Gally’s line at the end of the season he tried a little harder (Gally is obviously a scary line mate lol). Drouin’s whole attitude sucks and until he changes that I will always dislike him

 

[Kriss E]

What I mean is the pure talent is there , management and Jo himself need to find the way to make it blossom. The talent and the abilities are there , yes I believe he has as much talent as any of the top talents in the league (hence the 3rd ov pick ahead of seth jones). He surely seems to be missing the drive and the work ethic to be a top player but it might be a matter of maturity.

At the minimum I think we can agree he's going to stay the player he is right now (50 pts winger) and in his best projections he could be close to PPG. What we traded was not a franchise PMD it was a potential franchise PMD , big difference.

All the rest about what we gave for him, hiring Alzner , organisational depth has nothing to do with Drouin himself , we gotta look forward and hope this organisation finds a way to extract his talent. Wich is likelier with the venue of Ducharme..

You think Drouin is on the same level as McDavid? Malkin? Kucherov? Crosby? Ovi?
Are you out of your mind?

This isn't junior hockey.

 

[sandviper]

You think Drouin is on the same level as McDavid? Malkin? Kucherov? Crosby? Ovi?
Are you out of your mind?

This isn't junior hockey.

Just within our own division, there aren’t many top-6 centers I think that would worry about facing off against Drouin.

 

[Kriss E]

Just within our own division, there aren’t many top-6 centers I think that would worry about facing off against Drouin.

Nobody worries to face anybody on our team outside Weber and Price.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

Drouin is pretty talented but he's not elite. I see 60-70 point upside as a winger from him, not unlike pacioretty but as a playmaking guy instead. He'll never flirt with scoring titles or whatever.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

What does talented like few players in the league mean? Is this one of those empty cliche statements? Look at the best players in the league and tell me you see the same potential in Drouin? 50 points winger doesn't even put him in the top 100! Even worse when you consider we traded a franchise PMD defenseman that we desperately needed. Even worse when you consider that we acquired Alzner, another stay at home defenseman when we already had Weber. Even worse when you consider that we have no centers so they are going to keep trying to fit a square peg into a round hole and ultimately ruin this kid the way they did with Galchenyuk, another top 3 pick. I am convinced that Bergevin says to his buddies,"Hold my beer!"every time he makes one of these boneheaded moves!

It's weird how you judge Drouin by who he is today 50 ish points but judge Sergachev on who he might be one day.

Sergachev is looking good though but lets not forget Drouin had 14 points in 17 playoff games with TB too(a year they said he wasn't good enough for NHL and put him in minors).

So we wait and see, both have some top end upside.

 

[jiboy]

You think Drouin is on the same level as McDavid? Malkin? Kucherov? Crosby? Ovi?
Are you out of your mind?

This isn't junior hockey.

In term of natural talent yes I think he can hang with these guys. What separates them is drive and the will to improve/get better every day.

I know this is going to be twisted up into something I do not mean but Drouin has a lot of talent and abilities that needs to be exploited otherwise yes its going to be a huge waste.

Im sure you understood what I meant but just decided to take the easy short cuts to try to make your point , well done.

Of course the leagues top players are MILES ahead of Drouin speaking as of right now but I dont believe the problem is a lack of talent , I dont believe Crosby and such are twice as talented as Drouin , its more a matter of working super hard all the time and just breathing hockey.

The potential is there unlike a player like Danault who just does not have those natural talents. We need some patience and to find a way to push the right buttons , unless you think its unheard of for a player to break out at 24-25 years old..

 

[LyricalLyricist]

In term of natural talent yes I think he can hang with these guys. What separates them is drive and the will to improve/get better every day.

I know this is going to be twisted up into something I do not mean but Drouin has a lot of talent and abilities that needs to be exploited otherwise yes its going to be a huge waste.

Im sure you understood what I meant but just decided to take the easy short cuts to try to make your point , well done.

Of course the leagues top players are MILES ahead of Drouin speaking as of right now but I dont believe the problem is a lack of talent , I dont believe Crosby and such are twice as talented as Drouin , its more a matter of working super hard all the time and just breathing hockey.

The potential is there unlike a player like Danault who just does not have those natural talents. We need some patience and to find a way to push the right buttons , unless you think its unheard of for a player to break out at 24-25 years old..

I get what you're saying but you're better off just agreeing Drouin is a tier below them...even in natural talent.

We've seen that many guys can go from bad season to good season(Ex: Giroux) and it's all confidence, timing, etc...so there's definitely an argument the top end guys aren't light years away. I just don't see Drouin up there though.

He's a tier below...which is nothing to sneeze at IMO.

 

[Kriss E]

In term of natural talent yes I think he can hang with these guys. What separates them is drive and the will to improve/get better every day.

I know this is going to be twisted up into something I do not mean but Drouin has a lot of talent and abilities that needs to be exploited otherwise yes its going to be a huge waste.

Im sure you understood what I meant but just decided to take the easy short cuts to try to make your point , well done.

Of course the leagues top players are MILES ahead of Drouin speaking as of right now but I dont believe the problem is a lack of talent , I dont believe Crosby and such are twice as talented as Drouin , its more a matter of working super hard all the time and just breathing hockey.

The potential is there unlike a player like Danault who just does not have those natural talents. We need some patience and to find a way to push the right buttons , unless you think its unheard of for a player to break out at 24-25 years old..

I didn't twist anything.

I think it's just nuts to believe Drouin has the same natural talent as guys like Crosby or McDavid.
He's not even close.

 

[Kriss E]

I get what you're saying but you're better off just agreeing Drouin is a tier below them...even in natural talent.

We've seen that many guys can go from bad season to good season(Ex: Giroux) and it's all confidence, timing, etc...so there's definitely an argument the top end guys aren't light years away. I just don't see Drouin up there though.

He's a tier below...which is nothing to sneeze at IMO.

Giroux's bad year would be a career year for Drouin.
Sure, he's still young but at his age Giroux was putting up 76 and 90+ or seasons.
So ya, he's more than just a tier below.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

It's weird how you judge Drouin by who he is today 50 ish points but judge Sergachev on who he might be one day.

Sergachev is looking good though but lets not forget Drouin had 14 points in 17 playoff games with TB too(a year they said he wasn't good enough for NHL and put him in minors).

So we wait and see, both have some top end upside.

Lars Eller is almost 30 and people think he's still got potential to be a top 6 centre despite never putting up 40 points, meanwhile people here think Drouin has reached his ceiling while having just turned 23. Drouin's former teammate McKinnon who was born the same year had ~50 points 3 straight years before breaking out and putting up a MVP caliber season last year, Drouin isn't McKinnon's caliber but my point is some players take an extra year or two to break out.

You can't teach a guy talent, but with good coaching you can improve a player's work ethic and training to help him become a better player and hopefully having his old coach Ducharme around will help him in those regards.

 

[417]

Giroux's bad year would be a career year for Drouin.
Sure, he's still young but at his age Giroux was putting up 76 and 90+ or seasons.
So ya, he's more than just a tier below.

He was also playing with MUCH more talent around him.

Not disagree with the overall tone of your post, but circumstances matter when comparing players.

 

[Laurentide]

It's weird how you judge Drouin by who he is today 50 ish points but judge Sergachev on who he might be one day.

People with agendas do this. I've lost count of the posts on this board which tout Sergachev as an elite player when he hasn't done anything elite as of yet. As far as I can tell, you can only be elite if you once played for the Habs and then got traded elsewhere. Suddenly you become elite.

 

[Rafafouille]

Giroux's bad year would be a career year for Drouin.
Sure, he's still young but at his age Giroux was putting up 76 and 90+ or seasons.
So ya, he's more than just a tier below.

Giroux wasn't putting up 90+ at drouin's age. His first good season(76pts) came in 2010-2011 for the majority of which he was 23 years old. Drouin won't be 24 until the last week of next season.