Jokerit 16/17 - The Final Journey?

[Karde]

Jokerit CEO says Jokerit plays KHL next season

According to the Jokerit CEO Jukka Korhonen Jokerit will play KHL in the 2017/18 season.

Finnish newspaper Ilta Sanomat had Korhonen's interview in the paper today:

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/khl/art-2000005099104.html

 

[CPFC]

According to the Jokerit CEO Jukka Korhonen Jokerit will play KHL in the 2017/18 season.

Finnish newspaper Ilta Sanomat had Korhonen's interview in the paper today:

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/khl/art-2000005099104.html

They should make a 10 million bet for it, that should cover the losses for next season.

 

[Kshahdoo]

1-1 so far. Hope Jokerit will beat CSKA.

 

[Jussi]

They should make a 10 million bet for it, that should cover the losses for next season.

With odds of 1.15 that Jokerit plays in KHL next season, I don't think so.

 

[Jussi]

Jokerit in Playoffs since 2008-09 (includes SM Liiga):

14.3.2009 Kärpät-Jokerit 3-2 ja
21.3.2009 Jokerit-Kärpät 2-3 ja

23.3.2011 Jokerit-Hifk 2-3 ja
26.3.2011 Jokerit-Hifk 1-2 ja

24.3.2012 Jokerit-Hifk 3-2 ja
4.4.2012 JYP-Jokerit 2-1 ja
7.4.2012 JYP-Jokerit 3-2 ja
11.4.2012 JYP-Jokerit 3-2 ja

23.3.2013 Jokerit-Lukko 3-4 ja

27.2.2015 Jokerit-Minsk 2-3 ja

27.2.2016 Torpedo-Jokerit 3-2 ja

23.2.2017 CSKA-Jokerit 2-1 ja

 

[Acallabeth]

According to the Jokerit CEO Jukka Korhonen Jokerit will play KHL in the 2017/18 season.

Finnish newspaper Ilta Sanomat had Korhonen's interview in the paper today:

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/khl/art-2000005099104.html

Jussi, I offer you my most sincere condolensces. Stay strong ystava.

 

[Jussi]

Jussi, I offer you my most sincere condolensces. Stay strong ystava.

Are you going for a AlwaysSunny and Gongshow type of friendship here?

On topic, just to clarify: Harkimo and Kohonen say Jokerit have an "on-going deal" with KHL. The problem is the financing. Both have said that Jokerit can't play in KHL without funding from Russia. They had a 3 year deal with Rotenberg to fund the team/cover the losses for the 3 first seasons. It's known Jokerit took "a loan" from them worth 21.4 million euros. It's also known it was far more than Rotenberg expected. He's also not pleased with the losses. He won't help the team after this one so Jokerit are looking for new funding(read= owner). None of that seems to have happened, otherwise they would've made it known. So if Jokerit can't find new funding, who knows what will happen?

 

[vorky]

Reasons why they have not announced the deal yet:

1. There are holidays in Russia at the start of January
2. Then we have All Star Game
3. Then there is finish of regular season
4. Then there is EHT break
5. Then there is playoff

 

[Jussi]

KHL board has absolutely nothing to do with Jokerit finances. Both Harkimo and Kohonen said Jokerit should get the negotations for the finances secured first by the end of the year, then during January then during February. Holidays, all-star games and EHT breaks have nothing to do with those.

 

[vorky]

Russians are minority owners of the club, so their schedule is very important here.

 

[Jussi]

Their schedule is irrelevant when is comes to financial negotiations. Jokerit need to secure that ASAP, so they know how big their player budget is going to be and who they are able to sign.

 

[Exarz]

Their schedule is irrelevant when is comes to financial negotiations. Jokerit need to secure that ASAP, so they know how big their player budget is going to be and who they are able to sign.

I'm actually a bit worried about not having secured the finances as of this moment. Jokerit will most likely get their financing one way or another, but there are no good indications that it hasn't been solved already. Plus that the new contracts could have a "Jokerit leaving the KHL" clause, in case it would happen.

Anyhow, I believe that Jokerit will stay in the end. The loss of Jokerit for the league would mean the end of future Western expansion projects, at least in the meaning of established clubs.

 

[vorky]

I'm actually a bit worried about not having secured the finances as of this moment. Jokerit will most likely get their financing one way or another, but there are no good indications that it hasn't been solved already. Plus that the new contracts could have a "Jokerit leaving the KHL" clause, in case it would happen.

Anyhow, I believe that Jokerit will stay in the end. The loss of Jokerit for the league would mean the end of future Western expansion projects, at least in the meaning of established clubs.

No panic. It would be a problem if the club had not secured the finances at end of May (deadline).

I also think that Jokerit will stay.

Compare rethoric of Medvescak and Jokerit. Medvedev said a few days ago that if croatian (see non-russian) sponsors will secure 80% of the budget (cca 8-10m euro I would say), the Medvescak stay in the league. On the other hand, Harkimo/Kohonen are sure that Jokerit will stay.

If you want a good long term deal (for Jokerit), you need time to negotiate. Who cares if the final deal is made in January or in April? The most important is the quality of a deal. Btw, one thing is to reach a deal and announce it. Why should Jokerit announce the deal at the same day as deal is reached?

 

[Jussi]

Why should Jokerit announce the deal at the same day as deal is reached?

Because patience has never been Harkimo's virtue. He'd have a presser about it ASAP.

 

[Jussi]

Harkimo's reply to a question at YLE radio show:

Will Jokerit losses for this season be around 10 million euros? - Yes.

He said the problem is the small number of partners/sponsors.

 

[CPFC]

So this season was not a total disappointment, thanks to the wins in the last away tour, which pretty much secured the play-off spot. The effort against CSKA was admirable, but Jokerit were not really challenging CSKA at any point. It looked like CSKA was saving gas and scored goals only when they needed, while keeping Jokerit away from the prime goal scoring sectors. Once again, Kvartalnov outcoached a supposedly great Finnish coach and I'm sure CSKA can step up their game even more for the next series.

For next season Jokerit has a need for a decent 2nd line center and I would not mind a total clearance of the coaching staff. Also a guy like Pulkkinen or Moses would be a tremendous addition to the less than spectacular winger department.

 

[cska78]

not so much out-coached, just better players and deeper roster. Kvartalnov is no strategy magician.

 

[Jussi]

not so much out-coached, just better players and deeper roster. Kvartalnov is no strategy magician.

This. Anyone can see that Jokerit roster is basically a 2nd line and 3 4th lines. As long as Jokerit play in KHL, they won't have a deeper roster because they don't have the money nor a farm team.

 

[cska78]

This. Anyone can see that Jokerit roster is basically a 2nd line and 3 4th lines. As long as Jokerit play in KHL, they won't have a deeper roster because they don't have the money nor a farm team.

by deeper roster you mean relative to the league? because I am pretty sure this roster wins back home

 

[CPFC]

This. Anyone can see that Jokerit roster is basically a 2nd line and 3 4th lines. As long as Jokerit play in KHL, they won't have a deeper roster because they don't have the money nor a farm team.

They had a deeper and better roster last year and the year before that with roughly the same budget. This year's problem was that they made too many mistakes with guys like Keränen, Hishon and Niemi.

They will never have a budget that could match CSKA or SKA but it's not like their paying peanuts either. They just need to hit a homer with every player acquisition (think Moses, Kozun, Huhtala) and they need excellent coaching. CSKA has a record of 8-1 against Jokerit in the play-offs and they were also schooled by Skudra's Torpedo last year (though Jokerit had injury problems). Jokerit has to be better than that, even if the opponent has a deeper roster. They need a coach who is suitable for an underdog situation.

 

[CPFC]

not so much out-coached, just better players and deeper roster. Kvartalnov is no strategy magician.

I like the way CSKA plays and I hope they go far this year. Very relentless style of play and the way they defend, block shots, stick check etc is excellent. Maybe CSKA is not as good offensively as they should be, but I think Kvartalnov is one of the best coaches in KHL. I don't know if he is a little underrated in Russia?

 

[Exarz]

Koukal released by Avtomobilist. Would love to see him back in Jokerit.

 

[cska78]

I like the way CSKA plays and I hope they go far this year. Very relentless style of play and the way they defend, block shots, stick check etc is excellent. Maybe CSKA is not as good offensively as they should be, but I think Kvartalnov is one of the best coaches in KHL. I don't know if he is a little underrated in Russia?

He gets the guys to play hard, but dressing room chemistry is in question, he has a deep roster to ride.

It would be hard to beat ska though, the whole league is essentially their farm.

 

[SoundAndFury]

Also CSKA really lacks offensive talent this year. When Da Costa and Mursak were injured for good chunks of the season their F group was average at best league wide. Their defense is good, even compared to SKA's, but high end forwards are lacking.

 

[Finnpin]

not so much out-coached, just better players and deeper roster. Kvartalnov is no strategy magician.

Didn't watch any playoff games this season but Kvartalnov has way much more quality chips to play with than Jalonen. It makes coaching/winning a little bit easier.