LeafFever
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These 2 guys are exactly why you do not sign JVR. Both are young, cheap and very skilled. I always laugh at the "How will we replace JVR's 36 goals?" comments.
You cannot trade your UFAs when you are a lock for a playoff spot.JVrs goal scoring is going to be hard to replace, but these guys are far better defensive players than him and Bozak are so that's a plus. Not getting anything at the deadline for at least one of Bozak/JvR was the mistake.
You cannot trade your UFAs when you are a lock for a playoff spot.
However, as you are suggesting, optics plays a huge part into it. Unfortunate, but you have to please the customers right? Plus the whole "morale" thing in the locker room, but if you use those assets to pick up guys who can contribute now and in the future, they should not be complaining. They may be kids, but they are also professional athletes, and the whole point of making moves is to build a team to win it all. If they are half as smart as we expect them to be, they'd understand that and would be more than willing to follow the plan. Fans, on the other hand, typically are impatient and irrational when it comes to that sort of thing. If you think HF is bad when it comes to complaining, just imagine the real world. It makes HF posters look like the best of the best.
Last time I checked there was no written rule that prevented you from doing it. Just because it has rarely ever happened does not mean it should not be considered.
Bozak and JvR were not key parts of this team. The success of the Cup run did not hinge on what they did. We could have gone in there without them and the Leafs chances would have hardly been impacted. The Leafs winning or losing would have still been determined by whether or not Andersen, Nylander, Marner, Rielly, Matthews, etc. showed up on a nightly basis, and in that series, 3 of the 5 I just mentioned were not good enough (Andersen, Marner and Matthews).
It's the same reason why we are not going to pay big money to bring them back.
However, as you are suggesting, optics plays a huge part into it. Unfortunate, but you have to please the customers right? Plus the whole "morale" thing in the locker room, but if you use those assets to pick up guys who can contribute now and in the future, they should not be complaining. They may be kids, but they are also professional athletes, and the whole point of making moves is to build a team to win it all. If they are half as smart as we expect them to be, they'd understand that and would be more than willing to follow the plan. Fans, on the other hand, typically are impatient and irrational when it comes to that sort of thing. If you think HF is bad when it comes to complaining, just imagine the real world. It makes HF posters look like the best of the best.
Also a forgotten asset of JVR... he could pass the puck. .
Last time I checked there was no written rule that prevented you from doing it. Just because it has rarely ever happened does not mean it should not be considered.
Bozak and JvR were not key parts of this team. The success of the Cup run did not hinge on what they did. We could have gone in there without them and the Leafs chances would have hardly been impacted. The Leafs winning or losing would have still been determined by whether or not Andersen, Nylander, Marner, Rielly, Matthews, etc. showed up on a nightly basis, and in that series, 3 of the 5 I just mentioned were not good enough (Andersen, Marner and Matthews).
It's the same reason why we are not going to pay big money to bring them back.
However, as you are suggesting, optics plays a huge part into it. Unfortunate, but you have to please the customers right? Plus the whole "morale" thing in the locker room, but if you use those assets to pick up guys who can contribute now and in the future, they should not be complaining. They may be kids, but they are also professional athletes, and the whole point of making moves is to build a team to win it all. If they are half as smart as we expect them to be, they'd understand that and would be more than willing to follow the plan. Fans, on the other hand, typically are impatient and irrational when it comes to that sort of thing. If you think HF is bad when it comes to complaining, just imagine the real world. It makes HF posters look like the best of the best.
What GM trades their top goal scorer at the deadline when you are top 6 in points in the nhl...
Name one gm that did that. Waiting...
You say that like we were ever a top choice on odds for winning the Cup this year.Name the last Stanley Cup wining team that traded their leading goal scorer at the trade deadline.
Name the last Stanley Cup wining team that traded their leading goal scorer at the trade deadline.
Notice no other team headed to the playoffs trades their UFAs? It would be sending a terrible message to the team.Last time I checked there was no written rule that prevented you from doing it. Just because it has rarely ever happened does not mean it should not be considered.
Bozak and JvR were not key parts of this team. The success of the Cup run did not hinge on what they did. We could have gone in there without them and the Leafs chances would have hardly been impacted. The Leafs winning or losing would have still been determined by whether or not Andersen, Nylander, Marner, Rielly, Matthews, etc. showed up on a nightly basis, and in that series, 3 of the 5 I just mentioned were not good enough (Andersen, Marner and Matthews).
It's the same reason why we are not going to pay big money to bring them back.
However, as you are suggesting, optics plays a huge part into it. Unfortunate, but you have to please the customers right? Plus the whole "morale" thing in the locker room, but if you use those assets to pick up guys who can contribute now and in the future, they should not be complaining. They may be kids, but they are also professional athletes, and the whole point of making moves is to build a team to win it all. If they are half as smart as we expect them to be, they'd understand that and would be more than willing to follow the plan. Fans, on the other hand, typically are impatient and irrational when it comes to that sort of thing. If you think HF is bad when it comes to complaining, just imagine the real world. It makes HF posters look like the best of the best.
I agree. I do think aside from that they will with these 2 though. The Leafs are the most stack organization on the wing.Do they really need to replace JVR’s goals? If they score 20 less goals next year while being better defensively will they miss the playoffs?
Could pass the puck?? He had 18 assists.Also a forgotten asset of JVR... he could pass the puck. What Matt Martin accomplished in a single game, Kaps hasn't accomplished in his career in that regard.
Trading JVR and Bozak is just setting yourself up for failure and giving an excuse for people to fire you. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but in real life unless you won the stanley cup the entire NHL would say that trade was a mistake and blame you for the reason why the team lost. If you were GM and traded JVR and bozak before the playoffs and they still got knocked out of the first round you would be run out of town and eaten alive the second the team got knocked out...You say that like we were ever a top choice on odds for winning the Cup this year.
At trade deadline we knew we had to go through TBL, BOS, PIT/WSH, WPG/NSH, and in the offseason we knew the same except for thinking OTT would be in BOS' spot
It was obvious we weren't going to win without a miracle, which can happen with it without UFAs, as it was obvious we had the worst path possible and were gonna be underdogs in all series. Which makes the obvious move selling like STL sold off Shattenkirk