Player Discussion John Moore

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  1. TCB

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    Gryz is a player and I just dont see how the Bruins could justify a healthy Grizz not playing 70 plus games. The grass isn't always greener on the side. Grizz has game, Can skate pass and plays an excellent d-game, can create offensively and his huge heart and courage more than makes up for his lack of size. There's no denying the Kid can play.
     
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    they don't see grizz as an every day player i don't think
     
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    I don't think it's that they don't see him as an everyday player as much as there are just others ahead of him and likely more coming. I see him getting squeezed out eventually. The best case would be to showcase him a little more then trade for picks or as extra piece in a bigger deal IMO.

    They didn't sign Moore to a 5 year deal to have him sit . With Chara and Krug filling in the LD the only thing I can see that could give him a chance is if Krug gets traded which is a very risky proposition and unlikely IMO.
     
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    i think it's a real possibility that a deal involving grzelcyk may have been close to done but never came to fruition, also. it's a good value signing regardless as he checks a lot of boxes when it comes to desirable deadline pickups; the bruins could get way over his real value from someone if it does turn out grizz can improve, or at least consistently be the player he was for like a 20 game span to end last season. it also isn't unreasonable to have both of these guys locked up for less than the cap hit of say, ian cole. i'd take grizz and moore, there. i'd take grizz and moore over the abundance of lhd that are 4-6 guys with aav's of 4m and over.
     
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    Agreed, if Grizz can improve over the already very good season he had last year, his value will improve as well.

    It's not unreasonable at all to have these guys locked up, and yes I would take them over many others. It pains me to be talking trade with Grizz. I like this player a lot but facts are facts we are loaded with LHD both in Boston and Providence . Salary cap issues may force the Bruins hand down the road, we shall see.
     
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    I think a lot of it is. Sweeney was able to acquire a NHL caliber defenseman at a bargain rate and lock him up for 5yrs. Moore isn't a top 4 but can fill that role and play top 4 minutes for a period of time but he's a darn good 5/6 defenseman and he can also play the right-side when needed. He's very versatile and gives the Bruins added depth and more importantly gives Sweeney some flexibility when it comes to making moves.

    Moore is what the NHL is fast becoming as far as 5/6 d-man. Instead of the big rugged slew of foot,intimidating shot blocking rear-guard, teams are looking for more of a transition type who can skate the puck out and more importantly quickly retrieve the puck and have the ability to make that first quick pass.
     
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    Maybe they try Grzelcyk on the right, he’d probably be better than Miller.

    Moore-Grzelcyk

    Or Moore on the right.
     
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    This wasn't a deep FA class or there wasn't many big block buster moves but Moore at 4 ahead of the likes E.Kane ,JVR, Stastny, Hamilton, Hanifan and Lindholm :huh:. They all Should be clearly ahead of the Moore acquisitions, as far as being impactful to their new teams.
     
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    Moore is going to allow for a lot of mixing and matching since he can play either side. For "heavier" opponents I imagine you see Grz out and Miller/McQuaid in. On the flip side for a more mobile skilled team, I think you see a better skater like Grz in and Miller/McQuaid out. Even in game, you could have Moore-Carlo as your #2 if you're protecting a lead, while if you're behind you could go with Krug-Moore in order to get a little bit more of an offensive punch.

    This is why I really liked to the Moore signing. I think he's going to have a great year in Boston and really make Sweeney look like a genius for the signing.
     
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    Depends on how you define "impact" when you're making the list. Are you talking about just goals/assist/points. Is it more about impact from an all-around standpoint or just the affect they have on the rest of the group? There are a lot of different ways to look at "impact"
     
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    They'll all have a bigger impact to their new teams success than Moore will on the Bruins.
     
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    Thanks, man. :bow:
     
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    Just a smart way to address how bad defensively our undersized LDs were in the playoffs without having to trade them.

    We have also been enamored as an organization with guys who's contracts are good deals and the fanbase has been conditioned to judge guys relative to their pay in the cap era.

    I think this is a guy who can help fill the eventual void of Chara leaving and eat minutes. He'll be Carlo or McAvoys long term D partner.

    A year from now he might be the most popular Bruin on this board after Bergeron. Carlo and McAvoy won't be on ELCs forever having a guy who can log minutes locked up for cheap is going to help big time.

    Just nice to not be paying for past performance in free agency and getting a guy with his best hockey in front of him. Dude has plenty of experience despite still being young hes been an NHL regular since he was 20.
     
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    I don't know. I think the B's think very highly of their coaching staff, particularly on defense. I bet they see qualities that they love and think that their coaching staff can make Moore into a solid top 4 D-man. The things they love (e.g. size, speed, shot) combined with the things that they think they can teach (e.g. positioning, better decision making) and very good defensive core, you've got yourself an absolute steal if the coaches are as good as they think they are.
     
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    But again, based on what?
     
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    Wow. I thought I liked Moore a little more than most, but after reading this thread...

    It was a "tactical" "genius" signing. A real "innovation" in roster management? John Moore is gonna be a fan favourite second to only Bergeron? $2.75M/yr for five years is a "bargain contract" for a 5/6 defenceman?

    Holy lord. I'm a pretty optimistic dude, but this is ****ing looney tunes.
     
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    Is he really just a 5/6 defenseman?

    I'm seeing a guy like all those Golden Knights players who could take a huge leap if given a larger role. A big offense first guy taking a little longer doesn't sound off and its not like he was developing in the AHL for the last 6-7 years.
     
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    I like this signing a lot. Moore puts his heart into the game and can be relied on to play big minutes and be effective. He's going to be a winner for the Bruins and this is an excellent contract for both parties.
     
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    I'm just summarizing the thread as I saw it. I think he has potential to be top four, but you can't call him both a 5/6 AND a bargain.
     
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    At the price and term in to today's NHL salary world, his contract should be considered a Bargain. A 5 yr deal for a 27 yr old at 2.75 puts him not even in the top 110 salaries for NHL defenseman, right where he should be and by the time he's in the 2nd-3rd yr of this contract many Players who are on their ELC will soar by him placing him even lower down the pay scale. Moore signing too me isn't as impactful as some here think but I do believe it was a very good signing for the price and Term.

    If you look at other teams 5/6 d-men who also have the ability to step-up and play top 4 minutes at times thats what their getting paid today. Imagine what the price will be in 3-5 yrs for a Moore type. A lot more than 2.75.
    On some teams Moore may be more than a 5/6 who can also play substantial minutes as a number 4 but on this current bruins team, He's without question behind Calo,McAvoy,Chara and Krug but he could fill in adequately at times as could Grizz and Miller.
     
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    I probably am more curious about moore this year than I am any other bruin {although pastrnak sure got me excited with that playoff he put together... and im definitely curious how good debrusk is going to be too}

    bruins seem to have big plans for moore. you never give a 5 year deal to a third pair dman… never ever ever… it just isn't done

    so moore is being though of as a top 4 guy. this will either be a huge failure when moore fails in this role... or else it will end up being genius and a mega bargain as some are saying.

    biggoalbrad said that this is a similar deal to what vegas did finding their dmen… looking for guys who can skate and maybe never were given the chance to play because their other team might not trust them defensively. in the new nhl that is changing its rules how dmen play... the ability to skate and move the puck has become more important than ever before. those vegas dmen working together as a group solved their individual weakness and gave their goalie a chance to stand out.

    McAvoy can play this new style... grez can too. now moore joins this group. will krug stay around or not? he obviously can play this style too. can carlo? if he can we got most of our d able to play the style that is catching on as the new wave

    I do anticipate that moore will end up with McAvoy this year. I want to see what happens there. im very optimistic that moore has the right blend of skill and skating along with just enough size to be a pretty good partner for McAvoy

    this will allow chara to focus on being carlos partner... hopefully 1 more year of mentorship really grows carlos willingness to play more mean. big guys that play mean are more effective then big guys that don't play mean.

    having all of miller/McQuaid krug/grezlyck in the bottom pair is very very croweded though. I just don't think it makes sense to pay 12 million dollars for your bottom pair dmen
     
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    I wasn't upset at the Moore signing since I assumed it was done to give the Bs some options in terms of trades of other players or perhaps to package Moore in a deal down the road. He's signed at a reasonable salary so if it turns out he's not needed or doesn't pan out then he won't be that hard to move. Or, as a couple others suggest, maybe the Bs see a player who is on the cusp of breaking out in his late 20s and just needs the right coaching/system to show his stuff. Super cool if that works out, and will be a genius move by Sweeney. However, the Moore I've watched during his time in NJ is not a guy I want in the top 4 unless he shows some real improvement. If a team is relying on the NJ version of Moore in its top 4 then it's simply not going to be good enough to win a Cup. I very much hope the Bs brass are seeing something others are not in Moore, and he ends up being a great signing.
     
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