Player Discussion John Carlson

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  1. BenchBrawl

    BenchBrawl joueur de hockey

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    As an outsider, I didn't find any discussion on John Carlson (though maybe I've missed it).I'd like to know your thoughts on him.
     
  2. Holtbyisms

    Holtbyisms SY-STEM SY-STEM!!

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    I think Carlson is a legit #1 defender. He started the year pretty rough but apparently he was banged up in the World Cup according to Trotz. As far as how good of a #1 he is? Hard to say at this point. We've been seeing the good Carlson of late and there were times last year where he look poised to take a run at Norris consideration, however his injury kind of put a stop to any thoughts of that. He was huge in the playoffs last year as well. Even starting this year hurt he's on pace to put up similar numbers as his career year in 14-15. (Last year would have likely surpassed that without an injury).

    I think he gets absolutely punished here on the boards, and you're going to get a ton of negative replies about him, but he's really not that bad. He probably plays on most teams top pairing in the NHL.
     
  3. Sam Spade

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    He's not a Doughty, Keith #1 guy, but he is a very solid 1B. He relies on a strong partner more than the top guys do, which is the only thing holding him back from 1A status.

    He is very important to the success of the Capitals in the playoffs so if he is not healthy they are screwed.
     
  4. Slateman

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    Pretty much for everyone on the roster. I see no reason to rush him back.
     
  5. Eazy for Kuzy

    Eazy for Kuzy Moderator

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    He's more of a #2 than a #1 to me. Niskanen who is himself a #2 is outplaying Carlson.
     
  6. ALLCAPSALLTHETIME

    ALLCAPSALLTHETIME Great Dane! Love that Eller feller.

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    Carlstud is awesome.

    However, still has trouble getting the puck in Ovie's wheelhouse on the PP. Still very inconsistent at that.
     
  7. CapitalsCupReality

    CapitalsCupReality It’s Go Time!!

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    He's a number one struggling this year. Caps fans seem to underrate him imo.
     
  8. CapitalsCupReality

    CapitalsCupReality It’s Go Time!!

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    They're both at worst 1b D's imo, if you're being critical.
     
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    He's like our Jack Johnson, obvious when he's struggling but does he bring it in the playoffs so we need him.

    They should invest a better #7 than Chorney. I figure they already have one in Ness
     
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    He's a legit #1 in the playoffs.

    That's all I really care about at this point.
     
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    Yep.
     
  12. RandyHolt

    RandyHolt Keep truckin'

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    I thought Carlson and Alzner would be our top pair of the future. It doesn't look like either can grab that top pair designation conclusively. I wish both would move outside of their comfort zones, or that Barry would push for it. Of the 2, Carlson seems most likely to be a stud #1D that a playoff team needs.

    I would like to see more playoff type performances from him in the regular season. I have generally been happy with his playoff performance, however. He's a switch flipper.

    Why do people think he has not taken a penalty? Is he injured, trying to not engage to avoid making it worse? Is he saving up Oshie grade aggressive engaging play for the playoffs? Has he simply evolved to be an annual Byng guy?

    I would have never guessed Alzner would be the more physical of the 2. The fact he hasn't taken a penalty this year shows he is not taking any risks. I remember a few decades ago, when it was agreed players could take good penalties. Prevent a breakaway on the far blue. Punch a guy that ran your goalie. Slash a guy about to score into an empty net. I am not 100% sold that playing a penalty free style is the key to the cup.

    We are going to get calls against us no matter how soft we play.
     
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    No doubt. He always elevates his play in the playoffs no matter what he looks like in the RS (which is most times like a legit top pairing two way dman)
     
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    He's a legit #1 in that he's top 15 in the NHL for defenseman. He is not elite.

    Very good shot (sometimes great), good passer of the puck (sometimes sneaky good), not overly physical but he won't be pushed around. Not a dummy or a headcase. Makes good decisions. Durable. Decent skater, decent speed. Good on the PP or PK. There are no glaring weaknesses, but no eye-popping attributes either. Just an all around very good player IMO.

    Sometimes I wish he would agitate like he did when he first came up.
     
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    What do you think about his next deal? He has been playing for laughable money and certainly wants significant rise.
     
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    Give him the money he wants.
     
  17. CapitalsCupReality

    CapitalsCupReality It’s Go Time!!

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    What's he worth? Anything under $7 per seems like it might be a steal from a market perspective.

    6 years $40.5 mil (6.75 per)? Would turn 35 mid-season his last contract year. That might end up being a steal sadly.


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    Doughty us playing great again. Keith is struggling this year. I've always felt Keith was a bit over hyped. Not saying he isn't good
     
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    He us a very good all around dman. I can't think of many guys that can do everything like he does. Maybe Doughty, Hedman, Pietrangelo to name a few. I would rank him as a top 10 dman because he plays in all situations. I too would like him to be a bit more physical.
     
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    You look at that list and you have to shake your head. Some very overpaid guys on that list but then there a few steals as well. Carlson 86th highest paid dman in the league. That is a big time steal. Can't see him signing for anything less than 7.
     
  21. AlexBrovechkin8

    AlexBrovechkin8 Playoff chokers, they said.

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    No reason to take that unless he wants to give the Caps a discount. Someone on the open market would offer him 7x7/8. He's a big, physical, mobile 1RD who can score, play a shutdown role, eat PK minutes, and lead your PP. He gon' get paid. I can think of half a dozen teams that would view Carlson as their missing piece.
     
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    people are going to be unhappy with his extension.
     
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    Probably. I haven't liked a lot if the contracts they offered to our guys. But if you dont, we will lose him.
     
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    Eh, it's not my money. As long as it doesn't cause us to lose someone down the line.....
     
  25. CapitalsCupReality

    CapitalsCupReality It’s Go Time!!

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    I did say under $7 was a steal. After Kuzy squeezed every last penny from the Caps, I can’t see why Carlson wouldn’t ask for $7.5.
     

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