Confirmed with Link: Johansson traded to NJD for 2nd and 3rd rd picks in 2018

[Jags]

He is an elite penalty killer.

Borderline. His faceoff struggles make his a liability on defensive faceoffs, which are most power play faceoffs. He's absolutely elite beyond that, but it's odd to have an elite PKer who you have to deploy very specifically or risk giving up immediate chances against.

 

[Hivemind]

Faceoffs are overblown. The difference between a 45% FO winrate and a 55% FO winrate is 1 faceoff per game for a player like Eller. And despite his poor defensize zone faceoff numbers, Eller was still an above average player in terms of Net Shots Post-Faceoff in the DZ last season.

While you want a couple faceoff specialists on your team, there is no need to overpay for that ability in each of your centers.

 

[RandyHolt]

I have seen coaches thinking that faceoffs matter in almost every game I have ever watched. From a RH guy in to take a right side draw, to Oshie pitch hitting for Nicky or Kuzy, to the sheer employment of guys like Boyd Gordon and Jay Beagle - it matters to those in the game. We have all seen that extra faceoff guy out for if a guy gets tossed.

Early in the toronto series we were getting killed in the dot and it was swinging play in TOs favor. You could see it rather easily, actually. I think it had a hand in some losses.

Bigger than the 1 faceoff lost that makes a guy good or not, is the individual game itself. It doesn't matter what a guy did all year if he gets killed in game 7 after getting killed all year, and the coach keeps putting him out for key draws. Many times a game, you can see a player all but concede a faceoff. I want to know the key draw stats.

I will concede that in the modern era when a mistake is how a goal is scored, faceoffs and every play in general, has never been less meaningful in how it relates to goals being scored.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Borderline. His faceoff struggles make his a liability on defensive faceoffs, which are most power play faceoffs. He's absolutely elite beyond that, but it's odd to have an elite PKer who you have to deploy very specifically or risk giving up immediate chances against.

If Eller was as good as he is defensively and on the PK, and scored 40pts a year as people wanted.....he'd be worth 6m a season (Jordan Staal) and we wouldn't afford him or have traded for him

 

[Hivemind]

I don't think many people actually consider Jordan Staal to be a $6M player. Especially after Hanzal took home "only" $4.75M as a UFA this year.

 

[um]

Hanzal is injured all the time.

 

[Langway]

So is Tom Wilson and most people think he's way overpaid at 2m AAV.

So is Daniel Winnik and he has been over a longer period.

Eller PKed more last year than any season and he's always had strong GA/60 PK rates but for me when I think elite PKer it's someone that has a more prominent role and has done it over a longer period. He's always been strong but it's a bit early to suggest he's elite. He did also show signs of being a very strong 3C from a possession standpoint but, again, I'd wait for another season at least to conclude whether that's to be expected. Those were two areas where he had career-best performance but even that I'm not sure is worth his contract to them beyond next season given other commitments. He'll also be 29 before his next contract so how much term is required?

For me Johansson is definitely a LW and a guy that ideally adds more of a two-way playmaking winger element 5-on-5. With the right linemates he can help make a line go by virtue of being responsible defensively and through the neutral zone. Between Zajac/Henrique/Zacha/Boyle and then Hischier & McLeod on the way there's no need for him to play center.

 

[Jags]

Faceoffs are overblown. The difference between a 45% FO winrate and a 55% FO winrate is 1 faceoff per game for a player like Eller. And despite his poor defensize zone faceoff numbers, Eller was still an above average player in terms of Net Shots Post-Faceoff in the DZ last season.

While you want a couple faceoff specialists on your team, there is no need to overpay for that ability in each of your centers.

I don't entirely disagree, but there's no question that it affects Eller's deployments. For a guy with the PK numbers he has to not be a top minute-getter in PK situations is very telling. We leaned on him here and faceoffs were definitely an issue, but he was routinely playing way fewer minutes in Montreal than several other forwards who weren't nearly as strong as him defensively.

Lost defensive faceoffs on the power play lead directly to chances against. Eller is at 38.9% for us in shorthanded faceoffs. 27.3% in the postseason. It has affected his deployments and overall PK time dramatically over the years and puts his "elite" status in question.

 

[PatrikBerglund]

Two 2nds for Johansson was a really bad trade. Not Forsberg for Erat bad, but still.

Johansson is a 1st line player on at least half the teams in the NHL - and still fairly young.

How many 2nd round draft picks even make it to the NHL for a decent career?

How many end up in the top-6 for an extended time? At the very most, 15-20%?

How many become top line players? 5%?

 

[Corby78]

I can not wait for those two picks to be made. Then this board can slam those poor kids every day for not putting up the same numbers as mojo. And if one day one of them do, we can complain we don't have anyone who can drop pass.

 

[Sam Spade]

Still glad they traded Marge, won't miss him one bit.

p.s. His production in NJ is going to be abysmal, I will be shocked if he gets 40 points.

 

[Icejoker]

Johansson was drafted 2009, as nr 24. In points today he is on 6 place of that draft, before is those who was drafted 1-4 and nr 33 Ryan O Reilly.
Johansson has 290 points,Eller drafted 2007 has 181.
Eller is worth 2 2 and Johansson 1 2, 1 3
Has I understand it right ?

 

[Carlzner]

Still glad they traded Marge, won't miss him one bit.

p.s. His production in NJ is going to be abysmal, I will be shocked if he gets 40 points.

lol k

 

[Acallabeth]

Johansson was drafted 2009, as nr 24. In points today he is on 6 place of that draft, before is those who was drafted 1-4 and nr 33 Ryan O Reilly.
Johansson has 290 points,Eller drafted 2007 has 181.
Eller is worth 2 2 and Johansson 1 2, 1 3
Has I understand it right ?

All trading partners are equal not. We needed Eller and overpaid, we needed to move Joe and NJ underpaid.

 

[WanderingCapsFan]

All trading partners are equal not. We needed Eller and overpaid, we needed to move Joe and NJ underpaid.

That's about right. Sucks, but about right.

 

[um]

isn't this 2018 draft supposed to be really good? there's a good chance it ends up being:

Florida 2018 2nd rounder = pick #32-47
Leafs 2018 3rd rounder = pick #78-93
vs.
Caps 2017 2nd rounder = pick #58
Caps 2018 2nd rounder = pick #47-62

I'd say value wise they are not far off, not all draft years are equal and not all draft picks are equal.

 

[Hivemind]

#58 is pretty darn optimistic for the Caps pick in the 2nd round. Odds are against this team winning the Metro.

 

[um]

#58 is pretty darn optimistic for the Caps pick in the 2nd round. Odds are against this team winning the Metro.

that pick already happened this year.

 

[MrGone]

Still glad they traded Marge, won't miss him one bit.

p.s. His production in NJ is going to be abysmal, I will be shocked if he gets 40 points.

I would love to take a bet like that. That's easy money. He will have a good season in NJ.

 

[Sam Spade]

I would love to take a bet like that. That's easy money. He will have a good season in NJ.

Maybe, but he was very sheltered here, he won't be in N.J.

Also 19 PP points last season, you think he matches that in Jersey?

 

[txpd]

prototype apples and oranges situation. 58pts leads NJ in scoring. Just 40 ties for 3rd in scoring on that team. The scale is completely different between the two teams. Taylor Hall lead NJ with 38 even strength points. Johansson had 39.

He is going to get more prime minutes at even strength.

 

[Langway]

prototype apples and oranges situation. 58pts leads NJ in scoring. Just 40 ties for 3rd in scoring on that team. The scale is completely different between the two teams. Taylor Hall lead NJ with 38 even strength points. Johansson had 39.

He is going to get more prime minutes at even strength.

But Hall is also a LW so I'm not sure that's true. Hall often misses games but aside from that I don't think Johansson will be a go-to even-strength player for them. He'll be their 2LW, presumably help Hischier along and solidify their top six. He stands to maybe get a minute or two more 5-on-5 but likely not absolute prime minutes unless they put him on his off-wing. He's not there so much to lead the way as provide much needed reliable, proven depth. He'll likely slide more into the type of usage Cammalleri had, albeit with perhaps some PK time and better linemates.

 

[Revelation]

Johansson was drafted 2009, as nr 24. In points today he is on 6 place of that draft, before is those who was drafted 1-4 and nr 33 Ryan O Reilly.
Johansson has 290 points,Eller drafted 2007 has 181.
Eller is worth 2 2 and Johansson 1 2, 1 3
Has I understand it right ?

So he's like the Sam Gagner of that draft, cool.

 

[AtNightWeFly]

Still glad they traded Marge, won't miss him one bit.

p.s. His production in NJ is going to be abysmal, I will be shocked if he gets 40 points.

I feel like me and you are the same person. Although I'm still not sure where "Marge" came from.

He's the type of player that benefits from great teammates not so much the other way around. I think I already saw him swing wide last night right in front of the damn net. Adios! (the return could've been a little better however )

 

[txpd]

Marge. The soft, feminine version of Marcus. Not a compliment.