Duke749
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If anything Burmi's development went backwards because of the KHL and has to relearn to an extent what works and what doesn't in the NHL.
Prospect Info: Joel Armia
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FinJetster
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This.
I made a quick comparison of the two, about their pro hockey career (=excluding junior hockey). Accidentally, they both started at the same season. Burmi is 2 years older of course, but he stepped straight to the Thrashers from the OHL. While Armia's first pro experience came with the Finnish Elite League.
Armia
GP G A P
2010-2011 Assat Pori-Finland 48 18 11 29
2011-2012 Assat Pori-Finland 54 18 20 38
2012-2013 Assat Pori-Finland 47 19 14 33
2013-2014 Rochester Americans-AHL 54 7 20 27
2014-2015 Rochester/St. Johns-AHL 54 12 21 33
2015-2016 Jets 15 2 0 2
Total 272 76 86 162
Burmistrov
GP G A P
2010-2011 Thrashers 74 6 14 20
2011-2012 Jets 76 13 15 28
2012-2013 Jets 44 4 6 10
2013-2014 Ak Bars Kazan-KHL 54 10 28 38
2014-2015 Ak Bars Kazan-KHL 53 10 16 26
2015-2016 Jets 46 4 6 10
Total 347 47 85 132
My point here wouldn't be so much of their point production on the given time etc. That'll be silly, 'cos they've been playing on the different teams on the different leagues and line-ups, until very recently.
What you can tell about their stats though, is that Armia has bigger tendency to get his point production from making goals, than assists.
Almost half of his points have come from making goals (even with his AHL-stats that lean heavily on assists), while Burmi's goal production is around 1/3 of his points.
As jesui mentioned Armia was known as a sniper, when he was drafted. The guy came 11th in goals scored on his rookie year in Finnish Elite League, after all. While he was 17, and missed 12 games.
I'm already convinced Armia will be a bigger goal scorer in the NHL than Burmi will ever be. Burmi has played 240 NHL games with a 0.28 PPG and this season at age 24 when forwards are usually entering their most productive years he is at a 0.22 PPG pace. IMO Armia's game will translate nicely to the NHL and as you say he was drafted as a goal scoring winger and I think he will eventually live up to that. I think Armia will be able to finish with skilled line-mates going to the net with a quick accurate shot. Burmi on the other hand has a ton of talent and can stick handle in a phone both but over handles the puck and plays too much around the perimeter in the ozone to be a big point getter. And IMO he just doesn't have the shot that can make up for it. Burmi's true value IMO lies in being groomed as a defensive specialist and a shut down center.
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I agree, Burmi skates and stickhandles well but his shot and passes are bit marshmallowy. Combine that with some not-so-great offensive awareness and you don't have a great point-producer. What you do have is decent puck pursuit guy and forechecker.
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I'm starting to change my tune about Armia. I thought he was a bit of a bum from what I had seen of him with the Moose and from when he first started with the Jets, but he has definitely improved and more importantly continues to improve. I really hope he can be our future third line depth guy down the line, as that would be the icing on the cake in the Kane trade.
From next summers top3 prospects Puljujärvi has scored 6 in 34 games and laine 8 in 27, not saying that Armia is as good as them (why does this always has to be said...) but that he is very talented scorer, a versatile shooter with quick release. He was always said to be a boom-or-bust type prospect, it was going to be top-6 scorer or back to europe. Now I see a lot of these middle-6, 2-way forward projections, 2-way game was not something he was known for when drafted but good to hear that he has improved. I wont be surprised if he becomes constant 20 goals scorer.
With all of the negative around last nights game I just wanted to point out Armia was the best player on the ice for the jets.He showed an aggressive edge to his game that I think is needed to keep his intensity up.really happy with his development it's a bit easier for him to give a **** right now than it is for the other vets who have checked out as it is pretty clear what chevy's plan is for this season.
Very impressed with him last night. he's playing like he has to to stay with the big club. I remember reading that he doesn't use his size effectively. That is complete hogwash!
Top 4 things I see in him since the call up:
1.) stick handling in tight spots is exceptional.
2.) Good speed.
3.) Good defensively
4.) Uses the body to his advantage.
Don't stop Joel! Keep pushing and I see you as a top 2 line player.
Top 4 things I see in him since the call up:
1.) stick handling in tight spots is exceptional.
2.) Good speed.
3.) Good defensively
4.) Uses the body to his advantage.
Don't stop Joel! Keep pushing and I see you as a top 2 line player.
KCjetsfan
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Maybe I'm just way negative but I saw someone who gave up the puck a lot, easily. Of course it's not fair to single him out because he was nowhere near the worst last night either.
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I think it is a bit premature to say he is a lock for anything. Very happy with what he has shown so far though. Top 6 is unlikely but not impossible. I think he has shown the potential to be a very good 3rd line winger. It is a bonus that he appears to be able to play either wing equally.
We haven't seen him after the new wears off. When he starts taking the NHL paycheque for granted he may not be so much a 'lock'. Lets just give it a little more time.
He looks better with the Jets than he did with the Moose which is weird. I fear his effort level may go back down when he does earn a spot full time. Either way, not looking like he's going to be much of an impact player. But I'll give him time.
HockeyHistorian
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He becomes a better player when he plays with skilled players and has the puck on his blade more often. He has much more skill and creativity than your regular NHL player.
Still, you can't just put him in your top 6 without having him "earn it" first. Or can you?
I almost thought that he was a bust already, but now it seems that he is proving my doubts premature.
Still, you can't just put him in your top 6 without having him "earn it" first. Or can you?
I almost thought that he was a bust already, but now it seems that he is proving my doubts premature.
truck
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He becomes a better player when he plays with skilled players and has the puck on his blade more often. He has much more skill and creativity than your regular NHL player.
Still, you can't just put him in your top 6 without having him "earn it" first. Or can you?
I almost thought that he was a bust already, but now it seems that he is proving my doubts premature.
I said it half jokingly on Twitter, but Armia is a great fit with players that know how to both make and take a pass.
He is excellent at finding open ice and making himself available to receive a pass via an unclogged lane. When he is out there with players liie Thor and Peluso, players that don't pass well, this skill is wasted. He is also a solid passer - which doesn't help when linemates can't get open.
Well that team is such a train wreck at times that imo a few players on the Moose would look better on the Jets who are much more structured and competent 5 on 5.
Glad to see he's started figuring things out. I agree with Truck in that he plays best with someone who he can read off of and can get him the puck.
Holden Caulfield
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Yup. My favourite example of a successful player of this type is a Matt Moulson. He was never a guy who drove a line, but he was a very good complimentary player who could feed off teammates real well. That's kinda what I can see in Armia (not really same type of complementary player but still). Moulson never had eye popping college or AHL stats either.
The last time I saw him was at a live Moose game was back in December against Chicago and he looked great. He was hard on the puck in the offensive zone and consistently winning puck battles along the boards. He was positionally sound and I was very impressed with awareness on the ice and where to move the puck in each situation. Clearly he has been working hard to adapt his game to the NHL style and we are now seeing the results of his efforts.
I saw a few Moose games earlier in the season as well and to be honest the team was looking so disorganized there were very few players standing out in a positive way at that time.
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I heard Matt Barnaby of all people discussing how some Euros do better in the NHL than the AHL and I think this is what we are seeing with Joel. Hopefully he keeps his effort level up because he and Hellebuyck have been a couple of bright spots in this otherwise challenging season.
KCjetsfan
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that may explain why buffalo dumped armia to us.... be brave and go over and post a matt moulson compliment on their board lol
all of this would be relevant if the 8 players he had competition from were capable of playing hockey half-decent, but they aren't, at least not this year.
That's has more to do with his quality of competition for ice time then it does for his own play.
That being said, he LOOKS like a player. I don't see anything that appears to be "below top 9" level, except the quality of his linemates.
I get hesitancy but seriously, he's been better then everyone in the bottom six.
Thorburn, Peluso, Burmi, Lowry, Copp, Halischuk, Peluso, Lipon. This is his competition.
Armia would have to play so much worse then he has so far to lose his spot to one of those players.
The only person in that group who i would put close to him is Lowry. If regains his form from last year he could maybe deserve to be on that line instead of him, but he and burmi have both been shells of their former selves.
I'm still very much not sold on Copp. I think he'll "pass" as a 4th line center but I don't see him going anywhere else.
I get not pumping his tires. I'm not calling him a lock top be a top 6 player. I'm saying I see him as lock to be a 28-34 points player 3rd line winger.
when you compare A)his current play thus far and B) his pedigree/ceiling/potential he's easily the best player in our bottom six right now.
edit: i'm also willing to waive concerns about offense do to production this year. He isn't scoring nearly as much as i'd like, but he's had the misfortune of playing on a moose team that couldn't score (until the coach put him with decent line mates, then they started scoring, and then he was promptly recalled to the jets) and when it did, he got called up to a Jets team that has just as much trouble scoring.
Ducky10
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What gives you the impression Armia will start taking his NHL cheque for granted? Do you know something about his work ethic? Just curious.
He becomes a better player when he plays with skilled players and has the puck on his blade more often. He has much more skill and creativity than your regular NHL player.
Still, you can't just put him in your top 6 without having him "earn it" first. Or can you?
I almost thought that he was a bust already, but now it seems that he is proving my doubts premature.
Those 22 year olds can do that to you........
Holden Caulfield
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that may explain why buffalo dumped armia to us.... be brave and go over and post a matt moulson compliment on their board lol
Moulson was never fast and he's lost a step. He's done now. But in his prime he was a very good middle 6 winger, that could play on top line in a pinch. Very smart player. I think Armia has some of that smarts to use his teammates well. He has better tools than Moulson ever had (better skater, better hands, better positional play in d-zone). He probably never reaches that peak Moulson had playing with Tavares, but still a good complementary player.
Moulson had 69 one year and 53 another. He hasn't ever gotten 50+ since. I think we the right line mates, Armia could be a consistent 45-55 point getter.
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