Joe Sakic - Redeemed as an NHL GM?

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  1. Kamiccolo

    Kamiccolo Proud Leafs and Hurricanes fan

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    Last year we had this thread

    https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/is-bergevin-the-worst-gm-in-the-nhl.2360027/

    Sakic was named along guys like Chia and Bergervin. Even if he wasn't the worst, there is no doubt that for a while he was considered to be one of the worst.

    Now over a year on, he completed one of the best trades ever trading a guy who wanted out in Duchene for a kings ransom. He has manged the cap well and put together a young, fast skilled team with a strong prospect pool.

    Has he redeemed himself as a GM? Where does he rank now?
     
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    Slow down. Ottawa's 1st is looking like a prime asset, but there was no way to know it was going to be *that* good at the time. Still, the trade has definitely worked out.

    As to whether he redeemed himself? Too early to tell. He's bought himself more runway.
     
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    Tralfamadore Don't Panic.

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    People were just really overreacting then and are now eating a lot of crow for it.

    Tbh generally holding on to a player like Sakic did is probably not ideal but it sure did work out for the Avs in this case. Sakic looks like a genius now but bending over a **** GM like Dorion will do that.
     
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    Tralfamadore Don't Panic.

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    Please. Even if the pick was in the 20s the trade was still incredible for the Avs.
     
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    The Duchene deal was a masterpiece. An engineered three-team trade with two young quality NHL players in Girard and Kamenev along with several picks. That alone redeems him.
     
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    I mean, the 1st pick was the only real thing of value in that trade. A basic quality for quantity trade that worked out better than he could have ever dreamed of.

    I have him between 22-28 range.
     
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    You could just say that you know jack **** about the trade.
     
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    The return for Duchene was very good, but is being overrated due to Ottawa’s complete incompetence.
     
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    The Duchene situation was the reason everyone was calling him terrible. He should’ve never caught so much hell to begin with. He clearly had a better handle on the situation than the hf brain trust. There’s nothing to redeem. He just proved everyone wrong.
     
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    It's early but it seems likely Girard plays on the first pairing this year so yeah, that's not true at all.
     
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    A bad GM can always pull off an OK trade (Duchene) once in a blue moon.
     
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    It's being improved by Ottawa's incompetence.
     
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    Drafted well, the ROR stuffs was a gong show but Duchene trade was perfect. He's above average as a GM.
     
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    What makes him bad then?
     
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    It's not just the Duchene trade. ROR trade worked out really well for the Avs, and a lot of people liked his use of cap room to get Grubauer. Avs have also drafted well in the past 4 years.

    The Avs are also one of only a few teams that can say they have zero bad contracts right now.
     
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    Avs are looking great and that Ottawa first can set them up as a contender for a decade.

    Love what Sakic is doing, glad their jerseys are great again.
     
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    an ok trade? he got a bundle of picks including, an unprotected 1st, 2 legit prospects (which included one being 5 months removed from a 1st round selection in Bowers) and a Dman who stepped into their roster right away and should be in a top 4 role this year in Girard.

    This was for a player that everyone & their grandmom knew was on the market, and had been for a while. Not to mention the team improved dramatically compared to the year prior w/o him

    Lol @ ok.
     
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    Safe to say that you should never judge a GM based upon a short resume, or a trade based upon how it looks immediately afterwards.
     
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    Sakic got a lot of flak for things Roy did. Roy was his decision and he gave him too much runway, but still unfair to blame him entirely.
     
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    The Duchene trade, RoR trade, signing Mackinnon to 6.3 per year alone gets him out of the bottom 10. Easily
     
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    As of now Girard is much more valuable than the Ottawa first. Would trade the first over Girard.
     
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    Funny how easy fans can forget a good/bad GM.
    Sakic was subpar. Bottom 10 GM.
    Sakic makes a killer trade. Top 10 GM.
     
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    Hey if any GM wants to be redeemed all they have to do is give Pierre Dorion a call
     
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    Let’s just say I’d be more than happy to have Girard with my Habs... When I saw his name in the trade I thought Sakic had made a really really good trade.
     
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