Player Discussion Joakim Nordström

[rocketdan9]

Didnt understand this signing. Has played ok I guess

But tonight Iam warming up to his value. Really hard forchecker with speed like Kuraly. Good on the pk.

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[Dr Hook]

He has some wheels and a bit of grit to his game. I agree, I am liking this signing more after seeing him play a couple games.

 

[rocketdan9]

He has some wheels and a bit of grit to his game. I agree, I am liking this signing more after seeing him play a couple games.

He is prob also worried to lose his spot and played more desparately .... he needs to keep it up

 

[Dr Hook]

He is prob also worried to lose his spot and played more desparately .... he needs to keep it up

No doubt, he is the million dollar man who could be easily replaced by any number of P Bruins. I hope he stays motivated, too, as we need players like that.

 

[JRull86]

I'd love to see Nordstrom - Kuraly - Wagner as their 4th line with Accari as the 13th

 

[Alicat]

Nordstrom reminds me of PJ Axelsson. Gritty, decent speed.

He’s solid on the PK as well.

So far so good in my book

 

[bme44]

I'd love to see Nordstrom - Kuraly - Wagner as their 4th line with Accari as the 13th

Not to derail this thread ,but I would be happy to see Accari out of the line up

 

[badbrewin]

Not to derail this thread ,but I would be happy to see Accari out of the line up

That makes 2 of us. I always look for the value added and intangibles from every player, but I struggle here. His checking is just ok, speed is below NHL average, hitting (way down), he's just ok at faceoffs, ordinary PK guy, and doesn't contribute enough on the score sheet...even for a 4th liner. In today's NHL, your 4th line needs to induce 30-35 goals per season and he's really not the guy to drive that.

Early indications are that Nordstrom could be that 4th line guy.

 

[Jaguar God]

Solid depth signing.

 

[veganbruin]

Impressed by his board battles and ability to turn pucks over. Is there still some upside here? Could he maybe get a shot at 3C?

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Impressed by his board battles and ability to turn pucks over. Is there still some upside here? Could he maybe get a shot at 3C?

He's probably the worst possible option for 3rd line center. He had 7 points in 75 Games last season. That's a 0.09 PPG pace. Not what I want on the 3rd line.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Impressed by his board battles and ability to turn pucks over. Is there still some upside here? Could he maybe get a shot at 3C?

I wouldn’t go that far. He reminded me a bit of Paille last night. I like Paille for what he is, but above that I would get sick of him fast. I’d like to see Nordstrom with Kuraly and Backes.

 

[ON3M4N]

I'm not sure some folks understand what Nordstrom brings. He's not going to be a guy that produces much offensively. His games is more of that grinder, good defensive ability and someone who can play the PK. His career #'s put him around a 6G/8A guy over an 82 games season, so if you're expecting him to give you 20+ points, then you're going to be disappointed

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

I'm not sure some folks understand what Nordstrom brings. He's not going to be a guy that produces much offensively. His games is more of that grinder, good defensive ability and someone who can play the PK. His career #'s put him around a 6G/8A guy over an 82 games season, so if you're expecting him to give you 20+ points, then you're going to be disappointed

Well if we demand three-zone play from our offensive guys, stands to reason that we should expect the same should from the defence-first ones as well, no?

Or is one-dimensional only unacceptable if a guy puts up points?

I think 20+ points is a completely fair expectation for any forward skating regular minutes. If that's too ambitious, then that forward shouldn't be skating regular minutes.

 

[ON3M4N]

Well if we demand three-zone play from our offensive guys, stands to reason that we should expect the same should from the defence-first ones as well, no?

Or is one-dimensional only unacceptable if a guy puts up points?

I think 20+ points is a completely fair expectation for any forward skating regular minutes. If that's too ambitious, then that forward shouldn't be skating regular minutes.

Do we really "demand" 3-zone play from all our offensive guys? I mean I think that's the preference, but guys like Pasta are not held to the same defensive standard as others. I guess I look at a guy like Nordstrom and say anything he gives me offensively is gravy. I'm not expecting him to be a guy we look to when the game is on the line and need a goal.

In comparison last years 4th line had 1 guy with 20+ points and that was Schaller...IIRC no one was up in arms about our 4th line last year. Should Kuraly and Acciari not be getting regular minutes since they didn't hit 20+ points?

 

[rocketdan9]

Not to derail this thread ,but I would be happy to see Accari out of the line up

Why? He played well yesterday ... better than Wagner as a center

He may lack skills but plays the right way. He is actually a better center than a winger imo. Pretty decent on faceoffs too

Keep him as 4th line center until Kuraly is dropped (if it happens)

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Do we really "demand" 3-zone play from all our offensive guys? I mean I think that's the preference, but guys like Pasta are not held to the same defensive standard as others. I guess I look at a guy like Nordstrom and say anything he gives me offensively is gravy. I'm not expecting him to be a guy we look to when the game is on the line and need a goal.

In comparison last years 4th line had 1 guy with 20+ points and that was Schaller...IIRC no one was up in arms about our 4th line last year. Should Kuraly and Acciari not be getting regular minutes since they didn't hit 20+ points?

So Ryan Spooner wasn't constantly criticized for his lack of defensive prowess during his many years here? Ryan Donato isn't facing it right now? Tyler Seguin? Phil Kessel?

And depth scoring was ABSOLUTELY a problem last season. And it's part of the reason Kuraly on the third is so highly contested here. Why Acciari is argued to be a 13th forward and why many are confused as to why he seems to always make the top twelve.

20 points is not an unreasonable expectation for a forward who plays 3/4 or more of the season. That would be a guy who contributes on the scoreboard every once in a while.

It's certainly no more unreasonable than expecting a young scorer to show effort and competency in the defensive zone.

If we are to pump the brakes on 20 points for Nordstrom, he shouldn't be an everyday player.

 

[rocketdan9]

10-20 points with a respectable plus minus and team pk ranking indication should be the expectation

 

[ON3M4N]

So Ryan Spooner wasn't constantly criticized for his lack of defensive prowess during his many years here? Ryan Donato isn't facing it right now?

Spooner just never improved defensively...at all and didn't seem to show any interest in it. I don't see Donato facing criticism for his defensive play. Does it come up? sure, but I think it depends on who he plays with. He's in his first full NHL, people don't expect him to be a polished defensive player. Despite his developing defensive game, people still had him in their lines-ups (until this love for Cehlarik started because of a few pre-season games) all off-season because of his offensive upside.

And depth scoring was ABSOLUTELY a problem last season. And it's part of the reason Kuraly on the third is so highly contested here. Why Acciari is argued to be a 13th forward and why many are confused as to why he seems to always make the top twelve.

When people talked of depth scoring, I don't recall people pointing fingers at the 4th line? If anything is was the 2nd/3rd line that took most of the heat..

20 points is not an unreasonable expectation for a forward who plays 3/4 or more of the season. That would be a guy who contributes on the scoreboard every once in a while.

I didn't say it was unreasonable, but looking at Nordstrom's career he's probably not going to be that guy. Again if you're expecting 20+ points from him, you'll probably be disappointed. Now whether that means he should or should be an everyday player, that's a different story.

It's certainly no more unreasonable than expecting a young scorer to show effort and competency in the defensive zone.

I'd agree which is why Pasta vs Spooner are so different. You see the willingness and improvement defensively for Pasta year over year...you never saw that with Spooner.

If we are to pump the brakes on 20 points for Nordstrom, he shouldn't be an everyday player.

Maybe he shouldn't be. Right now though it doesn't appear there is anyone in the system that is taking his job from him.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

I like how Nordstrom gets a pass for not "developing" his offensive game, where Spooner gets slammed for not improving on his own defencencies.

Still I think I "understand (perfectly well) what Nordstrom brings." Not enough to not be roster spot that should be improved upon. If I can't expect some kind of base competency in the offensive zone, then I shouldn't expect a regular shift.

 

[ON3M4N]

I like how Nordstrom gets a pass for not "developing" his offensive game, where Spooner gets slammed for not improving on his own defencencies.

Who said anything about Nordstrom getting a pass? Would I like to see Nordstrom be a 20+ point guy? sure, but I don't expect he will. Just like I'd love if Spooner had developed a defensive game, but after a while I didn't expect he would and he was what he was.

Still I think I "understand (perfectly well) what Nordstrom brings." Not enough to not be roster spot that should be improved upon. If I can't expect some kind of base competency in the offensive zone, then I shouldn't expect a regular shift.

I didn't specifically call you out when I said "I don't think people understand what Nordstrom brings" did I?

I wouldn't disagree with the rest of your post. If you can improve the roster spot, it should be improved. I would say most in here have expectation of what they want Nordstrom to bring and history would say he's not going to live up to those expectations. Does that mean people have the wrong expectations? no, just that Nordstrom isn't the guy to meet those expectation.

 

[ODAAT]

Well if we demand three-zone play from our offensive guys, stands to reason that we should expect the same should from the defence-first ones as well, no?

Or is one-dimensional only unacceptable if a guy puts up points?

I think 20+ points is a completely fair expectation for any forward skating regular minutes. If that's too ambitious, then that forward shouldn't be skating regular minutes.

Agreed, while I certainly don`t expect a 50 pt season, to put up 20 in a 4th line role isn`t reaching. I really don`t recall watching him with the Canes but looking at his stats, I see he did have one season where he scored 10 goals and had 24 pts.

Hoping that once he gets fully acclimated, he`ll settle in and hopefully contribute

 

[ON3M4N]

Agreed, while I certainly don`t expect a 50 pt season, to put up 20 in a 4th line role isn`t reaching. I really don`t recall watching him with the Canes but looking at his stats, I see he did have one season where he scored 10 goals and had 24 pts.

Hoping that once he gets fully acclimated, he`ll settle in and hopefully contribute

Ya I'm not really sure what happened to him after that season. It looks like his TOI dropped year over year from 15 to 12 to 10 minutes a night. I don't know if he was asked to play a different role for the team or what.

 

[Mick Riddleton]

I like the signing, he is the typical Swedish defensive winger type, with speed and can PK. He is what he is a bottom level guy, do not over think it.

 

[BadBruins]

I know it's early for this, but if you want to look ahead to the playoffs, I think it's important to have a bottom-6 that can contribute offensively. Not going to write anyone off after two games, but can't accept the excuse that Nordstrom is there to PK and Acciari/Wagner are there to hit. These guys are playing 11-13 minutes a night at ES too. Those are valuable minutes. If you have to live and die by one or two lines, specifically in the post-season, you're probably going to die. All it takes is a bad matchup for that Bergeron line and the scoring well dries up in a hurry. None of these 4th liners have any kind of proven/consistent history. I don't think it's unreasonable to start making changes 5-10 games in.